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Old 10-10-2006, 07:02 PM
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Check these out...

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...ad.php?t=82755

I'm a shaking in my boots.
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North Korea beats most of Africa at least.
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Here some for you.

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/17...7282.widec.jpg

Thats lovely-Camp #22 in Haengyong

How about this one-


http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/17...8.standard.jpg

Thats lovely-Chunbong camp

Lovely aren't they?

The first is a Death Camp..for all intents. Biological and Chemical research on live humans has reportedly been conducted there..IOW spiffy they gassed people.

The second is "work camp" aka a Concentration Camp.

In both cases you take your worse nightmares of the Nazi and Soviet camps..and they happen there and in other places in North Korea every (*)(*)(*)(*) day.





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Satellite photos provided by DigitalGlobe show several of the camps, including the notorious Haengyong, for the first time outside official circles. Plainly visible are acres upon acres of barracks, laid out in regimented military style. Surrounding each of them is 10-foot-high barbed-wire fencing along with land mines and man traps. There is even a battery of anti-aircraft guns to prevent a liberation by airborne troops.

Ahn Myong Chol, a guard at the camp (which is sometimes known as Hoeryong) from 1987 through 1994, examined the satellite photos of Camp 22 for NBC News. They were taken in April, eight years after he left. But he says little has changed. He was able to pick out the family quarters for prisoners, the work areas, the propaganda buildings.

Looking at the imagery, Ahn noted what happened in each building:

“This is the detention center,” he said. “If someone goes inside this building, in three months he will be dead or disabled for life. In this corner they decided about the executions, who to execute and whether to make it public.

“This is the Kim Il Sung institute, a movie house for officers. Here is watchdog training. And guard training ground.”

Pointing to another spot, he said: “This is the garbage pond where the two kids were killed when guard kicked them in pond.”
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Prison guard Ahn’s memories are, like the others’, nothing short of gruesome. Every day, he said there were beatings and deaths.

“I heard many times that eyeballs were taken out by beating,” he recalled. “And I saw that by beating the person the muscle was damaged and the bone was exposed, outside, and they put salt on the wounded part. At the beginning I was frightened when I witnessed it, but it was repeated again and again, so my feelings were paralyzed.”

Moreover, said Ahn, beating and killing prisoners was not only tolerated, it was encouraged and even rewarded.

“They trained me not to treat the prisoners as human beings. If someone is against socialism, if someone tries to escape from prison, then kill him,” Ahn said. “If there’s a record of killing any escapee then the guard will be entitled to study in the college. Because of that some guards kill innocent people.”

President Bush told author and Washington Post Assistant Managing Editor Bob Woodward last year that he was well aware of the camps and the atrocities. That, officials say, partly explains why Bush insisted on North Korea’s inclusion in the “axis of evil” in his 2002 State of the Union address.

“I loathe Kim Jong Il,” Bush told Woodward during an interview for the author’s book “Bush at War.” “I’ve got a visceral reaction to this guy because he is starving his people. And I have seen intelligence of these prison camps — they’re huge — that he uses to break up families and to torture people.”
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3071466/

They say the first camp contains 50,000 people and "loses" 20-25% of its population to death a year. That article is form 2003..so in 3 years roughly 30,000-37,500 have been killed in that one camp alone.

So awe us with your pretty pictures...
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lightofreason...I enjoyed looking through all those pages of photo presented of North Korea. Very interesting.

I'm sure we would all agree...

1. There are no traffic jams.
2. There was no graffiti.
3. I didn't see any street gangs.
4. Or advertisements for Coca Cola or McDonald's on every street corner.
5. Where were all the obese people?
6. North Korea is a poor country.
7. The people are not devils.
8. It's not the USA.
9. The place looks clean.
10. Their government is very keen on monuments...very big monuments.

The monuments reminds me of the Jesuits and the cathedrals they built to impress the poor in their missionary days.

Just imagine if some foreign visitor took photo's of your major city. How would Washington DC look through the eyes of a critical camera. Or your local city?

I've been to London and Paris and have taken pictures of people sleeping in the streets. Of course I could legally take the picture and the people where free to sleep on the street.
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Originally Posted by Robert-TG";p=&quot View Post
lightofreason...I enjoyed looking through all those pages of photo presented of North Korea. Very interesting.

I'm sure we would all agree...

1. There are no traffic jams.
2. There was no graffiti.
3. I didn't see any street gangs.
4. Or advertisements for Coca Cola or McDonald's on every street corner.
5. Where were all the obese people?
6. North Korea is a poor country.
7. The people are not devils.
8. It's not the USA.
9. The place looks clean.
10. Their government is very keen on monuments...very big monuments.

The monuments reminds me of the Jesuits and the cathedrals they built to impress the poor in their missionary days.

Just imagine if some foreign visitor took photo's of your major city. How would Washington DC look through the eyes of a critical camera. Or your local city?

I've been to London and Paris and have taken pictures of people sleeping in the streets. Of course I could legally take the picture and the people where free to sleep on the street.
Hmm. A Democrat just spoke favorably, and unfavorably of America, about the worse human rights record in the world Communist North Korea.

I really hate those borring cliches, but, Democrats, "Love it or leave it."





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I'm not sure what to make of Robert T-G's post. It could be that he was using irony to comment on the fallacy of looking at a few photographs and trying to sum up a whole nation and regime from them. This would be a clever comment, if a little over the heads of some of his intended audience.

The other possibility I can think of is that Robert was serious. In that case, the man is, as Joseph Stalin put it when speaking of a certain type of Western leftist, a 'useful idiot'. America could easily achieve the same results as North Korea. All we would have to do is have detainment without trial (there goes every suspected gangsta, including quite a few wannabes from the suburbs), along with anyone criticising anything the government does.

Reduction of the food supply to the non-wealthy and connected to barely subsistence levels would make the vast majority of the population skinny and malnourished, and some of the real poor would die off, easing the strain on the health care system. Universal male conscription would reduce unemployment to zero and special forces could keep in training by regularily infiltrating over the Mexican border and blowing installations up. The immigration problem would be solved, as no Mexican would want to come to the U.S..

Yeah, that sounds like a good plan of action (by the way, this is an obvious and heavy-handed use of irony).
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I'm not sure what to make of Robert T-G's post. It could be that he was using irony to comment on the fallacy of looking at a few photographs and trying to sum up a whole nation and regime from them. This would be a clever comment, if a little over the heads of some of his intended audience.

The other possibility I can think of is that Robert was serious. In that case, the man is, as Joseph Stalin put it when speaking of a certain type of Western leftist, a 'useful idiot'. America could easily achieve the same results as North Korea. All we would have to do is have detainment without trial (there goes every suspected gangsta, including quite a few wannabes from the suburbs), along with anyone criticising anything the government does.

Reduction of the food supply to the non-wealthy and connected to barely subsistence levels would make the vast majority of the population skinny and malnourished, and some of the real poor would die off, easing the strain on the health care system. Universal male conscription would reduce unemployment to zero and special forces could keep in training by regularily infiltrating over the Mexican border and blowing installations up. The immigration problem would be solved, as no Mexican would want to come to the U.S..

Yeah, that sounds like a good plan of action (by the way, this is an obvious and heavy-handed use of irony).
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