Cheney and Waterboarding...lil help? - Page 4

sputterman · #31 (**permalink**) 10-28-2006, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by exigent";p=&quot

26 Oct 2006

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Dick Cheney, US vice-president, has endorsed the use of "water boarding" for terror suspects and confirmed that the controversial interrogation technique was used on Khaled Sheikh Mohammed, the senior al-Qaeda operative now being held at Guantánamo Bay.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15433467/

27 Oct 2006

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The White House said Friday that Vice President Dick Cheney was not talking about a torture technique known as "water boarding" when he said dunking terrorism suspects in water during questioning was a "no-brainer."

"You know as a matter of common sense that the vice president of the United States is not going to be talking about water boarding. Never would, never does, never will," presidential spokesman Tony Snow said. "You think Dick Cheney's going to slip up on something like this? No, come on."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15443701/

hahahahaha Cheney...not slip up? Every time he opens his stupid mouth he slips up.

just keep digging a deeper and deeper hole.

sputterman · #32 (**permalink**) 10-28-2006, 09:47 AM

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Who cares?

I don't have a soft spot in my heart for terrorists as some people do.

Decent folk care. Expecially since we now know a lot of these dangerous terrorists are actually guilty of nothing. Bush the liar says these guys were captured on the battlefield but we also know now that most were sold to the CIA by warlords for bounty.

sputterman · #33 (**permalink**) 10-28-2006, 10:01 AM

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1) If Cheney ever comes forward and says we do waterboard procedures on terrorists thats fine. I already hate him enough, but for him to go back after acknowledging what we are doing as "waterboarding" and introduce the word 'dunking' instead--which is a wee bit more humane, that infuriates me. Make up your mind, scumbag!

2) I care. I dont think we should lower ourselves to their standards. We are not likely to extract reliable information if we get any at all. And at the expense of our dignity and integrity? Thats fine if you want to take a 300 year step back, but the rest of us want to move up and forward.

But that's where you're wrong---we DID get tons of information from Khalid Sheik Mohammed. That information lead to arrests which led to more arrests. No telling how many innocent civilian lives were saved as a result.

Do I care that KSM had a few moments of thinking he was going to die? Not at all. He is responsible for 3000 people dying on 9/11.....most of them trapped in such unbearable smoke and fire that some of them chose to jump 110 stories to their deaths instead. You want to think about PURE TORTURE??? Think of those men and women who died on 9/11. And realize that people like him and his buddies are going to do it again...and again...and again if given the chance.

"no telling how many innocent lives were saved as a result". That's right, no telling. That's because all we get is some vague stuff from Bush that terrroist attacks were prevented. That's what I like, concrete facts. And if it came out of the sheik's mouth as he thought he was drowning then you can believe it's true. I mean, why would the guy lie?

sputterman · #34 (**permalink**) 10-28-2006, 10:06 AM

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More people have died from eating Spinach than have died from water boarding.

sputterman · #35 (**permalink**) 10-28-2006, 10:21 AM

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Republican followers will believe every lie that this administration brings forward. I am absolutely sure of this. They will never abandon this party despite the overwhelming lies. Cheney says one thing Bush says another, and then they both say the public didn't hear what is on record as being said. It is totally ridiculous...

Now for my 2 cents, torture is wrong. It was wrong during the inquisition and it is wrong now. Even when you put aside the notion that people who have nothing to do with terrorism could be wrongly arrested and tortured for information they dont have. It is barbaric and the people being tortured are just going to lie sending soldiers on a wild-goose-chase for things that dont exist.

Al-jizeera reports all of these tortures and they are broadcast through-out the world. This is why terrorism and anti-westernism will continue. It is not just Americans who see this torture going on. All through the arab states people who would once have been moderate or pro-western grow frustrated with the US and its allies. We are playing right into the enemies hands.

The smarter ones are abandoning Bush like he had the plague.

f100supersabr · #36 (**permalink**) 10-28-2006, 12:14 PM

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The smarter ones are abandoning Bush like he had the plague.

Actually very few are!! So does that mean that not many Repubs are smart or is your supposition wrong ?

nonsqtr · #37 (**permalink**) 10-28-2006, 06:19 PM

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The smarter ones are abandoning Bush like he had the plague.

Actually very few are!! So does that mean that not many Repubs are smart or is your supposition wrong ?

Well, that's my take too - "many Republicans are abandoning Bush".

I'm not sure "numerically", that might just be a perception on my part. I'd like to see some numbers though.

I do know, that a considerable number of Republican candidates have specifically asked Bushie "not" to campaign for them or on their behalf.

And of those that are seen campaigning with Bushie, many are losing in the polls.

Our illustrious prez seems to be a liability at this point....

Seriously though, I'm all ears if there are any numbers on this piece.

The primary point of division, seems to be the Iraq thing. That's kind of a no-brainer though, the policy is failing and continues to turn up maggots, so no one wants to be associated with that.

On the other hand, the tax piece is kind of interesting, tax cuts have been near and dear to the conservative heart since time immemorial, and there's little doubt that Bushie's tax cuts have turned up the heat under the economy.

How that plays relative to the deficit, I'm not entirely sure. Dems keep pointing to the deficit (and the "hidden" deficit as well), and Reps keep pointing to full employment and business profits.

I have yet to hear the voice of the "small businessman" loud and clear on this one. I heard a few people on Dobbs the other night, but it's hard to say whether they were for real or whether they were just audience plants... er... "invited guests".

That piece is kinda interesting - corporate America has a very loud and powerful voice, vis-a-vis the lobbyists and all that, but the small businessman has very few people to speak for him/her.

My guess is that Middle America will speak its voice during this upcoming election, and I'll be watching especially carefully in the Heartland. I already know what's going to happen out here in California, but I'm very curious what will happen in places all the way from Missouri to Montana.

The exit polling alone, is going to be worth watching the networks for.

This is going to be a great race. I love it. This is democracy in action. Our system is working exactly the way it's supposed to.

sputterman · #38 (**permalink**) 10-28-2006, 07:36 PM

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The smarter ones are abandoning Bush like he had the plague.

Actually very few are!! So does that mean that not many Repubs are smart or is your supposition wrong ?

Republican candidates on the campaign trail don't want Bush anywhere near them. The religious right may not abandon the party but it looks like they will stay home on election day. After all, some Republican office holders are exhibiting the same behavior most Republicans thought they were voting against in the Democrats. And some Republican Senators are actually exhiting some backbone.