Muslim scholars from around the world have called for female genital mutilation to be banned and those who carry it out to face punishment.
At a conference on the subject in the Egyptian capital Cairo, the scholars said governments should enforce existing laws against the practice.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/6176340.stm

The Muslim world has been too slow to address some of the hideous cruelties and inequalities that are practiced in its name. Whilst I think that most of these practices are cultural rather than theological it is encouraging to see a unified condemnation on female circumcision from religious leaders.

It gives hope that they may get around to addressing `honour-killing` at some point.

Let`s see....rape laws in Pakistan revised....now this....Those Muslim women are on a roll. Go, Burka Girl, go!

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Do you have any idea even what female circumcision really is? This is my favorite subject, because most people have no idea what they are talking about. Dare you go where no man has gone before????

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Yes. Despicable.

But go ahead. Amaze me.

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Really really happy to hear this. And yes, I too know the details and it often borders on attempted murder. I do agree with you John, it's a cultural issue. Perhaps more an issue with insecure men who view women as property. I am very happy to hear this. I wonder when it wil actually effect those that practice the ritual.
As for Pakistan ... I didn't realize there was a change inthe rape laws. so far it has been completely stacked against the woman, to the point where it's often wiser for the woman to keep quiet about it. If you hve any info on these changes I'd love to see them. Thnx

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Janglo

You`re just a big softie under that Zion World Control Inc. exterior!

http://www.politicalforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=22141

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No, I've been through this before...and all I run into is somebody who already has their mind made up. When I ask if you know what female circumcision really is..and you answer "despicable", then all you have is gossip and not the slightest idea of what forms the procedure can take in the Muslim world.

Do you think male circumcision is a form of genital mutilation?

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Hobo - if you have somthing to say about female circumcision then say it - otherwise, keep all your crypic crap to yourself

Agreed. I thaught I knew what female circumcision is and what it is primarily meant to do. If i'm incorrect, then by all means let me know. I hate being ignorant about something I feel so strongly about.
As for male circumcision, it's not the same thing as far as I know. i'm Jewish and got it done on the 8th day, and yeah it hurt (couldn't walk for a year) but it was done in sanitary conditions and was not meant to make me not want to roam because my pleasure nerves had been severed. I also had no holes sewn up as far as I recall. So by all means do enlighted us as to the lighter and spiritual side of female genital mutilation.

LOL. Even us world control protocolers have our weak moments. Really really interesting article. the part that worries me is that Pakistani Parliament members would oppose such a law .. but that's exactly what the more orthodox Muslems did. I appluade Musharaf for taking on these powers. This opposition is actually unique in their interpretation of Sharia law. The 4 witnesses law is actually the custom. If you don't have those you may as well not go to court because all you are doing is admitting to extra marital fornication. It's even more absurd that the girl who's case this was based on was gang raped for her brothers' sin of having an affair with a woman of a higher cast !! How many levels is that wrong on. It's like Sodom & Gemorah. I'm surprised fire and brimstone haven't rained down there yet.
As for honor killing .. good luck. I was in the main market in Jerusalem last year when a man braught in his sisters head in a paper bag. Needless to say he was arrested on the spot and from what I understand is standing trial for 1st degree murder. Point is that it's a mentality that is simply foreign in most of the Western culture.

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...full well what I am talking about. It`s right there, in the article.

Female circumcision typically involves surgically removing the clitoris of a young girl.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/6176340.stm

I am talking about a 4 to 8 year old girl being subjected to an mandatory clitoridectomy (or worse!) without anaesthetic or proper hygine or good reason! I am talking about this:

Since the population is largely nomadic, most operations are carried out in local villages. Infibulation as practiced in the bush is carried out on one child at a time by a "gedda" or matron of the village. Only women are allowed to be present at the ceremony which is carried out in secrecy. The matron squats on the floor of the family hut while the child is held in a lithotomy position by female relatives and friends. Again, the clitoris and labia are excised, but no anesthesia is used. Before the wound is closed, the mother and all the other women are allowed to inspect and palpate the wound to be sure the procedure has been properly performed. Then the wound is generously sprinkled with myrrh, a resinous material extracted from a native tree. Instead of sutures, thorns from an acacia bush are often used to close the wounds, and in addition, the girl's legs are tied together with rope for about two weeks. After that, the restraints are removed and the child is free to run about again.

http://www.cirp.org/pages/female/pieters1


Yes, I know it`s woven into the cultures. I don`t give a hoot except in as much as this limits the effective ways of combatting the practice. And yes, I know that the term can be used to describe a less radical procedure practiced in parts of the Middle East, that alledegly enhances sexual sensation. I`m sure you have guessed that is not the procedure I am objecting to.

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What he may be referring to is female clitoral circumcision is actually either the partial or full removal of the clitoral prepuce. The practice even gained some popularity in the west in the late 70's and early/mid 80's. A woman I used to know had it done... just like some girls get their clitoral hoods and labia pierced these days. It was thought to... er... enhance the experience. Some American women still go to Mexico and have it done.

But I'm of the opinion that female (clitoral) circumcision has no more (real) purpose than does male circumcision. And if speaking strictly of the circumcision procedure, I don't see how it's any more "tragic" for a female than for a male. I think it's unnecessary and cruel to ANY child, most especially if done against their will.

For whatever reason, the word circumcision is often used in this topic, when people actually mean clitorectomy or infibulation - all seem to fall under the category "female genital mutilation". But female circumcision is no more a clitorectomy to a woman, than male circumcision is a penectomy to a man. It's a terminology thing. Clitorectomy and infibulation are pretty much butchery - and they are horrible practices.

The question has been asked - and hopefully it will be asked more often. But those of us who oppose this barbaric practice against ALL children, wonder why it's only female children who are receiving U.N. and U.S. attention.

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