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    Hey you guys are going to be proud of me. I rounded up a family of Palestinians and put them on an express bus on its way to Mexico City today. I'm doing my part. Everyone should help. If we all work together we can solve the Palestinian problem.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Khalil View Post
    Guess what? You still haven't refuted a single argument of mine. Hence, my case is closed.
    -you acknowledged that the Arabs owned 48% of Palestinine
    -you acknowledged that the Negev was 'unassigned'
    -you acknowledged that the Negev was sparsely populated (if at all, see below)
    -you acknowledged that there never were and still aren't Arab land deeds claiming the ownership of Negev.
    -you might acknowledge that the UN taking all these facts into consideration gave a land without a people to a people without a land.

    Here is more info for you:

    Nomad: : A member of a people who have no permanent abode and travel from place to place to find fresh pasture for their livestock.

    Population: All the inhabitants of a particular town, area, or country.

    The concepts of 'Nomad' and 'Population' are contradictory and mutually exclusive. The Bedouins could not be considered the 'population' of the Negev, let alone land owners.
    Jerusalem appears in the Jewish Bible 669 times...The Christian Bible mentions Jerusalem 154 times. In contrast, Jerusalem appears as frequently in the Qur'an as it does in the Hindu Bhagavad-Gita—which is to say, not once.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Borat View Post
    -you acknowledged that the Arabs owned 48% of Palestinine
    -you acknowledged that the Negev was 'unassigned'
    -you acknowledged that the Negev was sparsely populated (if at all, see below)
    -you acknowledged that there never were and still aren't Arab land deeds claiming the ownership of Negev.
    -you might acknowledge that the UN taking all these facts into consideration gave a land without a people to a people without a land.

    Here is more info for you:

    Nomad: : A member of a people who have no permanent abode and travel from place to place to find fresh pasture for their livestock.

    Population: All the inhabitants of a particular town, area, or country.

    The concepts of 'Nomad' and 'Population' are contradictory and mutually exclusive. The Bedouins could not be considered the 'population' of the Negev, let alone land owners.
    I acknowledged that 48% of the land was belonged to Arabs. Then I also acknowledged that the Negev which the British never had a survey on (except for the town of Bersheeba) was recognized as Arab land by the British - through their publicatiosn from the time period. I said the Negev had over 100,000 people living there, doesn't mean anybody has the right to give away that land. There were Arab deeds, although, as I said there was never a survey done in the Negev.

    You stated that the United Nations is the only one that has jurisdiction of whom the land belongs to. The United Nations report state that 85% of the land belonged to Arabs.
    Last edited by Khalil; Feb 20 2012 at 06:07 PM.

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    -you acknowledged that the Arabs owned 48% of Palestinine
    They indeed did. But you forget this part:
    the document states: “The Negev has been inhabited from time immemorial by Bedouin tribes of Palestine who cultivated what areas they were able to depending on the amount of rainfall in a given year. Furthermore, it should not be forgotten that the Arab practices have been to rotate cultivation, that is, lands cultivated one year are left fallow for one or two subsequent years because of fertilizer and sufficient rainfall. Therefore, when it is estimated that the ‘cultivable’ lands of the Negev are only 2,000,000 dunums, it actually means that the cultivated lands in any or one year are in the neighborhood of that figure, and that the total cultivable lands of the region are at least twice the area cultivated in any one year.
    As regards to the ‘uncultivable’ lands of the Negev, here also the rights of the Bedouin tribes should not be ignored. Neither the Ottoman Government nor the British Mandatory ever interfered with these rights over the whole territory. The whole of these lands are traditionally recognized to belong to the Bedouin tribes. The fact that the Palestine Government did not include these lands under ‘Public’ but showed them separately and admitted in its memorandum to the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry that “it is not safe to assume that all the empty lands south of Beersheba or East of Hebron are dead land” is proof that the Government recognized Arab rights and interests in these lands. In the circumstances, it is wrong to presume that the figure of 10,573,110 dunums appearing in the Village Statistics under the separate column of uncultivated Land is government-owned.”

    The fact that this land belonged to the Bedouins was recognized. For example, in a report by the General Assembly stated “The Arab population, despite the strenuous efforts of Jews to acquire land in Palestine, at present remains in possession of approximately 85 per cent of the land.” http://tinyurl.com/6ms9vn5



    -you acknowledged that the Negev was 'unassigned'
    You do realize the Negev was called “unassigned” by the British publication because they never did a survey on it. That’s why they recognized it as Arab land, and thus didn’t claim it as public lands.

    -you acknowledged that the Negev was sparsely populated (if at all, see below)
    If not at all? No the Negev had over 100,000 Bedouins in which the British document on Palestine described “lived there from time immemorial.” This may be less than the rest of the country, but it surely can’t be recognized as nobody. Nonetheless, the British document recognized the rights of the Bedouins in the land they called “uncultivated.”



    -you acknowledged that there never were and still aren't Arab land deeds claiming the ownership of Negev.
    I never acknowledged this. There probably are. For example, 44 Bedouin villages and towns that were cleansed during 1948. Nonetheless, the British never had any survey on the entirety of the Negev, and only in and around the town of Beersheba. Then Israel cleansed much of the Arabs inhabiting the Negev.


    -you might acknowledge that the UN taking all these facts into consideration gave a land without a people to a people without a land.
    You said yourself that the United Nations is the only one with jurisdiction on the land ownership. The UNSCOP report stated that 85% of the land belonged to Arabs.
    Last edited by Khalil; Feb 20 2012 at 06:22 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khalil View Post
    I acknowledged that 48% of the land was belonged to Arabs. Then I also acknowledged that the Negev which the British never had a survey on (except for the town of Bersheeba) was recognized as Arab land by the British - through their publicatiosn from the time period. I said the Negev had over 100,000 people living there, doesn't mean anybody has the right to give away that land. There were Arab deeds, although, as I said there was never a survey done in the Negev.

    You stated that the United Nations is the only one that has jurisdiction of whom the land belongs to. The United Nations report state that 85% of the land belonged to Arabs.
    Cut this nonsense Khalil, you are embarrassing yourself. To begin with the publication you are referring to was not British, it was put together by arabs, the Brits considered the land unassigned, you have no deeds to prove otherwise, Nomads by definition don't own land, not in the Sinai, not in the Negev not elsewhere and the UN (not some obscure bogus report but the UNGA and UNSC) did indeed have authority and jurisdiction and they assigned vacant owner-less Negev to the Jews.
    Jerusalem appears in the Jewish Bible 669 times...The Christian Bible mentions Jerusalem 154 times. In contrast, Jerusalem appears as frequently in the Qur'an as it does in the Hindu Bhagavad-Gita—which is to say, not once.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Borat View Post
    Cut this nonsense Khalil, you are embarrassing yourself. To begin with the publication you are referring to was not British, it was put together by arabs, the Brits considered the land unassigned, you have no deeds to prove otherwise, Nomads by definition don't own land, not in the Sinai, not in the Negev not elsewhere and the UN (not some obscure bogus report but the UNGA and UNSC) did indeed have authority and jurisdiction and they assigned vacant owner-less Negev to the Jews.
    Embarrassing myself? Then prove it wrong. Fact is, you can't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khalil View Post
    Embarrassing myself? Then prove it wrong. Fact is, you can't.
    Khalil, the proof of land ownership is a real estate deed, not a report, not a British bureaucrat, not an arabic tradition, not wishful thinking... The proof of ownership is a deed and nothing else, you don't have any deeds for the Negev and thus you are not the owner.
    Jerusalem appears in the Jewish Bible 669 times...The Christian Bible mentions Jerusalem 154 times. In contrast, Jerusalem appears as frequently in the Qur'an as it does in the Hindu Bhagavad-Gita—which is to say, not once.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Borat View Post
    Khalil, the proof of land ownership is a real estate deed, not a report, not a British bureaucrat, not an arabic tradition, not wishful thinking... The proof of ownership is a deed and nothing else, you don't have any deeds for the Negev and thus you are not the owner.
    The United Nations statistics say otherwise. You're yet to refute anything I have said.

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    Well said! (Gillos) You must remember that the usual suspects believe the propaganda they are infused with. Most of them self infuse as well! My propaganda comes from God. Its simply unreal how far these people will go ! When I first began posting in the political section (I usually promoted the ministry and spoke about Christian vs atheist and other Christian concerns) I remember engaging a Usual suspect that was defending Al Qaeda. I could not believe that none of the conservative minded members were challenging his obviously fabricated claims and un-substantiated vision of historical events!

    Anyway now that is the status quo day to day op of the usual suspects, especially the more leftist rabid leaning types. So now I and my brothers are fighting a war on at least two fronts. I urge all Christians and conservative minded ie religious minded or metaphysical paradigmed’ members to defend any Christian that you see is being attacked by a group of the usual suspects. Last remark and its more on topic. The figures and claims of the usual suspects and even those that debate them should have a new rule that demands hear say and propaganda be substantiated by at least two independent sources.

    reva
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    Quote Originally Posted by RevAnarchist View Post
    Well said! (Gillos) You must remember that the usual suspects believe the propaganda they are infused with. Most of them self infuse as well! My propaganda comes from God. Its simply unreal how far these people will go ! When I first began posting in the political section (I usually promoted the ministry and spoke about Christian vs atheist and other Christian concerns) I remember engaging a Usual suspect that was defending Al Qaeda. I could not believe that none of the conservative minded members were challenging his obviously fabricated claims and un-substantiated vision of historical events!

    Anyway now that is the status quo day to day op of the usual suspects, especially the more leftist rabid leaning types. So now I and my brothers are fighting a war on at least two fronts. I urge all Christians and conservative minded ie religious minded or metaphysical paradigmed’ members to defend any Christian that you see is being attacked by a group of the usual suspects. Last remark and its more on topic. The figures and claims of the usual suspects and even those that debate them should have a new rule that demands hear say and propaganda be substantiated by at least two independent sources.

    reva
    Religion and politics is a messy combination, based more on biases and conspiracy theories, than facts, history, logic and common sense.
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