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    Osama Bin Laden: God did not want an Islamic state in Egypt
    International economic sanctions on an Islamic Egypt would have led to mass hunger, the late Al-Qaeda leader says in a memo recently released by US anti-terrorism centre
    15 May 2012

    Excerpts from documents apparently seized from the Saudi-born jihadi's residence in Abbottabad, Pakistan, where he was killed by US special forces in May 2011, suggest a man somewhat different from the stereotype of a pitiless terrorist leader.

    They show someone willing to forsake an Islamic state in Egypt -- surely one of his cherished aims -- if the price was the welfare of the population.

    In one of the 17 documents released by the US-based Combating Terrorism Center (CTC), Bin Laden cites the challenges facing Egypt's would-be Islamist rulers.

    "Before building a Muslim state, the Islamic Group [Gamaa Islameya] could have thought about food security for the Egyptian people," it is claimed Bin Laden wrote in one memo, referring to the Islamist organisation involved in the assassination of former president Anwar Al-Sadat on 6 October 1981.

    The group had the stated aim of establishing an Islamic state in Egypt and planned to seize control of government buildings, institutions and media outlets. But the Al-Qaeda leader claims their plans overlooked vital issues related to Egypt's economy and food supply.

    "If God had willed for the Islamic state to be born in Egypt, it would have not probably lasted more than a few weeks," wrote Bin Laden, explaining that international sanctions would have led to starvation due to the country's then reliance on American wheat.

    At that time, Egyptians relied on 150 million loaves of bread per day, Bin Laden claimed.

    "So, what would happen when Egypt could no longer import wheat from its major supplier, the United States?" he asked, adding that Egypt's wheat reserves were only enough for two weeks' worth of food and that its government had abandoned plans to make the country more self-sufficient.

    "How long would the public tolerate having to go without [bread]?" he asked. "That has nothing to do with whether the public liked or disliked the Islamic state. A dangerous shortage of food causes death and people do not want to see their children die of hunger."

    The US's release of these comments comes just weeks before Egypt's first post-Mubarak presidential elections. Islamists are among the top contenders, including leading light of the Muslim Brotherhood, Mohamed Mursi, and ex-Brotherhood member Abdel-Moneim Abul-Fotouh.

    Bin Laden concluded that, unlike Somalia or Afghanistan, where people had humble needs and could depend on agriculture and livestock, Egypt could not survive the "unconventional weapon" of economic sanctions.

    "The Afghan population is considered to be outside the modern-state system, and unlike Arab populations," he wrote.

    In early May, the Combating Terrorism Center at the US's West Point Military Academy released 17 declassified documents captured during the Abbottabad raid the previous year.

    They consist of electronic letters and draft letters authored by several Al-Qaeda figures, including Osama Bin Laden, and totalling 175 pages in the original Arabic.

    The CTC website warns of possible problems with its English translations, and recommends the documents be read in the original language.

    The earliest document is dated September 2006 and the latest April 2011.

    The preface to CTC's study, published on its website, admits that in contrast to his public statements that focused on the injustice of those he believed to be the "enemies" of Muslims, namely "apostate" Muslim rulers and their Western "overseers", the focus of Bin Laden’s private letters is Muslim suffering at the hands of their jihadi "brothers".

    He advises them to forswear domestic attacks that cause Muslim civilian casualties and focus on the United States, the "desired goal".


    Bin Laden's frustration with regional jihadi groups and his seeming inability to exercise control over their actions and public statements is perhaps the most compelling story in the declassified papers
    .http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsCont...ic-state-.aspx

    Very interesting if these are accurate translations

    Maybe not such a bad guy after all
    IKHWAN AL SHAITAN

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abu Sina View Post
    .http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsCont...ic-state-.aspx

    Very interesting if these are accurate translations

    Maybe not such a bad guy after all
    Ya if you're an Islamic Imperialist who doesn't care about the killings of non-Muslims. But of course you don't care about the Kafir do you Abu they are like so much cattle only worthy of 3rd Class Citizen status which is why you support the Muslim Brotherhood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abu Sina View Post
    .http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsCont...ic-state-.aspx

    Very interesting if these are accurate translations

    Maybe not such a bad guy after all
    Coming from someone who has expressed sympathy for Hitler's Final Solution, your assessment hardly comes as a surprise.

    Shall we take a trip down memory lane?

    Quote Originally Posted by Abu Sina View Post
    Sometimes I have to wonder that this is the kind of lie that you kind spread that makes people around the world hate you.
    All through history you must have driven people mad with the lies.
    The only solution I guess was what drove Hitler to do what he done.

    It just gets to that point where you want to shut the lying voices up once and for all.

    Think about it.
    Charming...
    "I am not a critic of the West...I am a critic of the weakness of the West. I am a critic of a fact which we can't comprehend: how one can lose one's spiritual strength, one's willpower, and possessing freedom, not value it..."
    -- Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, March 1, 1976

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    And that equals " sympathy for Hitler's Final Solution " does it ?




    Sounds like a chapter from Desperados in Zion
    The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ, .. Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit
    Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line, ..Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it.

    Omar Khayyam


    Zionism is criminal by default.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Doctor View Post
    Ya if you're an Islamic Imperialist who doesn't care about the killings of non-Muslims.
    One shouldn't practice hypocrisy.

    Quote Originally Posted by leftysergeant View Post
    Which are you saying? Are you saying that it is a good idea to kill Muslims in larege numbers,
    Quote Originally Posted by The Doctor View Post
    Yes, the majority of Muslims are Islamic Imperialist swine and the enemy of the civilized world.
    Trust in God, but tie your camel.

    ~ The Prophet

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    Quote Originally Posted by moon View Post
    And that equals " sympathy for Hitler's Final Solution " does it ?
    It certainly does.

    Did you drop your crayon, toots? I can't see your little drawing.

    Sounds like a chapter from Desperados in Zion
    Sounds like the spin of Stormfront flunkies...
    Last edited by Talon; May 17 2012 at 07:57 AM.
    "I am not a critic of the West...I am a critic of the weakness of the West. I am a critic of a fact which we can't comprehend: how one can lose one's spiritual strength, one's willpower, and possessing freedom, not value it..."
    -- Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, March 1, 1976

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talon View Post
    Coming from someone who has expressed sympathy for Hitler's Final Solution, your assessment hardly comes as a surprise.

    Shall we take a trip down memory lane?



    Charming...
    It's been my experience that once you let a Muslim talk long enough their true Jew hating Nazi sympathizing nature will begin to show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talon View Post
    Coming from someone who has expressed sympathy for Hitler's Final Solution, your assessment hardly comes as a surprise.

    Shall we take a trip down memory lane?



    Charming...
    It's been my experience that once you let a Muslim talk long enough their true Jew hating Nazi sympathizing nature will begin to show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Doctor View Post
    Ya if you're an Islamic Imperialist who doesn't care about the killings of non-Muslims. But of course you don't care about the Kafir do you Abu they are like so much cattle only worthy of 3rd Class Citizen status which is why you support the Muslim Brotherhood.
    You seem to have confused the term kufar and goyim.

    Kufar is Arabic for non-believer. As for your claim of how Kufar are to be treated...

    [60:8] Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly.
    [60:9] Allah only forbids you from those who fight you because of religion and expel you from your homes and aid in your expulsion - [forbids] that you make allies of them. And whoever makes allies of them, then it is those who are the wrongdoers.

    Goyim is a derogatory term for non-Jews similar but more offensive version of Gentile. Anyway, the Talmud says:

    “Even the best of the ‘goyim’ should all be killed.” (Soferim 15)

    “All children of the ‘goyim’ (Gentiles) are animals.” (Yebamoth 98a)

    You could also read the book, How To Kill Goyim And Influence People. The title speaks for itself.
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    (There is no God but Allah, and Muhammad is His Messenger)
    الله اكبر
    (Allah is Great)
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    Quote Originally Posted by OJLeb View Post
    You seem to have confused the term kufar and goyim.

    Kufar is Arabic for non-believer. As for your claim of how Kufar are to be treated...

    [60:8] Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly.
    [60:9] Allah only forbids you from those who fight you because of religion and expel you from your homes and aid in your expulsion - [forbids] that you make allies of them. And whoever makes allies of them, then it is those who are the wrongdoers.

    Goyim is a derogatory term for non-Jews similar but more offensive version of Gentile. Anyway, the Talmud says:

    “Even the best of the ‘goyim’ should all be killed.” (Soferim 15)

    “All children of the ‘goyim’ (Gentiles) are animals.” (Yebamoth 98a)

    You could also read the book, How To Kill Goyim And Influence People. The title speaks for itself.
    So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world)." Qur'an:8:39

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