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    Quote Originally Posted by Serfin' USA View Post
    What, are we judging the validity of defending someone by their ability to speak English?
    Of course, you can defend anyone you like regardless of his ability to speak English.

    The absurdity, however, is this. For example, if you were a blind Native American activist who can't speak a word of Chinese, but you were offered a visiting scholar position at a Chinese university's law school, isn't it ridiculous?
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    Quote Originally Posted by s002wjh View Post
    dude if he want to get into US and study here. he should do so like any other people, which is pass TOEFL or GRE or GMAT which is the basic requiremnt for university grad school. because he is an activist, he get special tradement which bypass all the exam/grade that typically required to enroll in a university. does it sound fair to thousands american student try to get into LAW school by working hard through out their life, and still couldn't go because they can't afford the tuition etc. Not only he got into NYU Law school by not taking any exam or submit transcript, but we the taxper are paying him/his family expense for god knows how long. so are you really serfin USA or screw american student. the money US spend on him probably can pay the tuitinon for several AMERICAN STUDENTS, who has better grade, english etc than him.
    We've got a lot of problems with immigration policy. I'm not disputing that.

    I ended up having to end a long distance relationship because our policies make it very difficult for Western Europeans to immigrate here. Meanwhile, we have tons of Africans, South Asians, and Latin Americans coming here all the time.

    So yeah, I'm not a fan of unfair policies. With Chen, it's politics. As you said, he's here because he's high profile.

    I'm just saying that expecting them not to bend the rules in a situation like this is very unrealistic and his English proficiency really doesn't matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by reedak View Post
    Of course, you can defend anyone you like regardless of his ability to speak English.

    The absurdity, however, is this. For example, if you were a blind Native American activist who can't speak a word of Chinese, but you were offered a visiting scholar position at a Chinese university's law school, isn't it ridiculous?
    It's ridiculous until you take into account the politics of the situation. We both know this isn't being done to further the studies of a school so much as it is to score points for a few politicians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Serfin' USA View Post
    We've got a lot of problems with immigration policy. I'm not disputing that.

    I ended up having to end a long distance relationship because our policies make it very difficult for Western Europeans to immigrate here. Meanwhile, we have tons of Africans, South Asians, and Latin Americans coming here all the time.

    So yeah, I'm not a fan of unfair policies. With Chen, it's politics. As you said, he's here because he's high profile.

    I'm just saying that expecting them not to bend the rules in a situation like this is very unrealistic and his English proficiency really doesn't matter.
    personally i think its win-win for china and US government. china get rid of a trouble maker, save some money, obama/hilary score a human right point. the only loser is the tax-payer and american students. i hope other activist doesn't take this example as free roll to US pay by US
    Last edited by s002wjh; May 23 2012 at 09:26 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s002wjh View Post
    personally i think its win-win for china and US government. china get rid of a trouble maker, save some money, obama/hilary score a human right point. the only loser is the tax-payer and american students
    I guess I've gotten to the point where I no longer am surprised by the government doing things to screw me over as a taxpayer.
    "Chaos... isn't a pit. Chaos is a ladder. Many who try to climb it fail and never get to try again. The fall breaks them.
    And some are given a chance to climb, but they refuse. They cling to the realm, or the gods, or love. Illusions.
    Only the ladder is real. The climb is all there is."

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    Quote Originally Posted by s002wjh View Post
    guess china tire of spending half million/yr to monitor him/his family, see an opportunity to get rid of him/his family and let US taxpayer to pay his flight, living expense, handicap, medcare, disability care, living cost for him and his family etc while thousands american student can't afford to school who speak better english and has better grades than him.
    That is one way to jump the US immigration cue. The USA is becoming the dumping ground of al qaeda, activist, communist, liberals, homosexuals, terrorist, etc. etc.

    Why USA, why not Saudi, or Russia?
    Last edited by WanRen; May 23 2012 at 10:38 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WanRen View Post
    That is one way to jump the US immigration cue. The USA is becoming the dumping ground of al qaeda, activist, communist, liberals, homosexuals, terrorist, etc. etc.

    Why USA, why not Saudi, or Russia?

    Wanren are you so obsessed with Al Q- Russia + Saudi , that you do not read latest news ?

    Chen Guangcheng could be back in China within 12 months

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...eng-back-china


    I guess the Chinese govnt is a bit like your god, they dont like people who disagree with them,


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    Quote Originally Posted by s002wjh View Post
    guess china tire of spending half million/yr to monitor him/his family, see an opportunity to get rid of him/his family and let US taxpayer to pay his flight, living expense, handicap, medcare, disability care, living cost for him and his family etc while thousands american student can't afford to school who speak better english and has better grades than him.
    i don’t mind im not a big fan of Chinese oppression

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    Excellent post , thats the only reason these 2 countries even did this in the 1st place. Its more for media/popularity gains as I dont think U.S, even cares about the man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Serfin' USA View Post
    I know how this works, Zod.

    If we defend this guy, we're naive or just needlessly creating tension with China.

    If we hand him over to the Chinese government, then we're hypocrites selling out to China.

    Either way, the world will give us (*)(*)(*)(*) for it, so I honestly don't care which way we go with it.
    This is exactly the position of the Right. After the debacle at the US embassy, when it looked like Chen would suffer arrest and persecutiion, Commentary was slating the Obama Adminstration as presiding over a dark day for American freedom. Now he is in the USA, the conservative position is to moan about his immigration status and whose payiong for him.

    Chen's crime was to protest against local communist thugs forcing people to have abortions in pursuit of the one-child policy. I know Chinese people who know this to have happened to their relatives. Instead of hailing him as a "pro-life" hero, conservatives would prefer to condemn him because he speaks no English. It shows their real concern for the unborn foetus to be the hollow hypocrisy that we always suspected it was.

    Conservatives, on the whole, and with a few exceptions, are unprincipled, deceitful scum. Observing US politics brings this home time after time after time.
    Last edited by Heroclitus; May 23 2012 at 10:23 PM.
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