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Old 05-12-2008, 12:17 PM
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No it would not. But i only said that the world has not evolved morally.
If you agree that slavery is evil, then you are wrong. Because there is far less slavery in the world not than there was then.


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Slavery was not abolished because moral but because economics.
The specific reason is ultiamtely subjective, but irrelevant either way. My statement above is true.

Slavery is far more offensive to people now than it was back then. That is morality, not economics.


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People don’t have choice. The home country made them slaves(Asia),they have to live.
So what? In pre-civil war America, slaves lived just fine and were never paid wages. Why would it be different in Asia or anywhere else?

Thats the whole point of slavery....reducing a human being to an object to be owned. You would not pay a wage to your cat or dog or mule...so why would you pay a wage to a slave?



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And off course no body raises questions if they pay money(even so pathetic)Do you get it?
They are exploiting workers. I get it. That doesnt mean the workers are slaves. It means they are being exploited economically.

Exploiting someone economically does not make them your slave.
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If you agree that slavery is evil, then you are wrong. Because there is far less slavery in the world not than there was then.



The specific reason is ultiamtely subjective, but irrelevant either way. My statement above is true.

Slavery is far more offensive to people now than it was back then. That is morality, not economics.



So what? In pre-civil war America, slaves lived just fine and were never paid wages. Why would it be different in Asia or anywhere else?

Thats the whole point of slavery....reducing a human being to an object to be owned. You would not pay a wage to your cat or dog or mule...so why would you pay a wage to a slave?




They are exploiting workers. I get it. That doesnt mean the workers are slaves. It means they are being exploited economically.

Exploiting someone economically does not make them your slave.
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If you agree that slavery is evil, then you are wrong. Because there is far less slavery in the world not than there was then.



The specific reason is ultiamtely subjective, but irrelevant either way. My statement above is true.

Slavery is far more offensive to people now than it was back then. That is morality, not economics.



So what? In pre-civil war America, slaves lived just fine and were never paid wages. Why would it be different in Asia or anywhere else?

Thats the whole point of slavery....reducing a human being to an object to be owned. You would not pay a wage to your cat or dog or mule...so why would you pay a wage to a slave?




They are exploiting workers. I get it. That doesnt mean the workers are slaves. It means they are being exploited economically.

Exploiting someone economically does not make them your slave.


The whole point was based on economics. Slaves were cheap labor. But during the industrialization slaves were obsolete. Rich and powerful people calculated that it is more functional to abolish slavery. People that are paid even wary little work bather then slaves. Those wages are equal to the food and shelter and medicine care they have to give to slaves. And it reduces danger of rebellion.

Does it bother you that sneakers that you are wearing are made by children that are being exploited? Is that morally?(i used this as example)
Or do you and me (us,europe) care that children in Africa are dyeing because starvation or lack of water?


Believe me slavery has nothing to do with hate or racism it is pure economics. People want to earn as much money possible, no matter who they oppress and humiliate and destroy. It is wary wary sad.
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Does it bother you that sneakers that you are wearing are made by children that are being exploited?
Actually, yeah. If you can provide evidence that a sneaker company is exploiting children, I will stop buying products from that company.


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Or do you and me (us,europe) care that children in Africa are dyeing because starvation or lack of water?
I cant speak for you, But of course I care. That is why I support the US giving aid to those nations.



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Believe me slavery has nothing to do with hate or racism it is pure economics.
I have seen enough evidence to the contrary that I am unwilling to take your word for it.



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People want to earn as much money possible, no matter who they oppress and humiliate and destroy.
Are you speaking for yourself? Are you saying that you personally want to earn as much money possible, no matter who you oppress and humiliate and destroy"?

If not, what makes you think you are the only one?


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The whole point was based on economics. Slaves were cheap labor. But during the industrialization slaves were obsolete. Rich and powerful people calculated that it is more functional to abolish slavery.
Um...no. If that were true, there would have been no civil war in the US. Obviously, a lot of Americans from that time disagreed with you that slavery was obsolete.

The South felt as you do...that slavery was justifiable for economic reasons. The north felt as I do, that slavery was morally wrong regardless of it's economic benefit.
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Actually, yeah. If you can provide evidence that a sneaker company is exploiting children, I will stop buying products from that company.



I cant speak for you, But of course I care. That is why I support the US giving aid to those nations.




I have seen enough evidence to the contrary that I am unwilling to take your word for it.




Are you speaking for yourself? Are you saying that you personally want to earn as much money possible, no matter who you oppress and humiliate and destroy"?

If not, what makes you think you are the only one?



Um...no. If that were true, there would have been no civil war in the US. Obviously, a lot of Americans from that time disagreed with you that slavery was obsolete.

The South felt as you do...that slavery was justifiable for economic reasons. The north felt as I do, that slavery was morally wrong regardless of it's economic benefit.
When did i say that slavery was justifiable? Why do you think that i support slavery?
If you continue to discus like that it will be pointless for me to participate.
Off course i don’t want to earn as much as possible am against that. I am Christian and as Christian i believe i social justice. I believe that people are the same in every part of the world. And that greed is the source of all evil.

Civil war was between Industrial capitalist North and feudal South. In the North slaves were obsolete because industry growth. That is why there were conflict between North & South.


Slavery main purpose was and steal is "cheap labor"
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When did i say that slavery was justifiable? Why do you think that i support slavery? If you continue to discus like that it will be pointless for me to participate.Off course i don’t want to earn as much as possible am against that. I am Christian and as Christian i believe i social justice.
So what makes you think other people back then did not feel the same way?

You keep making the assumption that slavery only died for practical reasons, and not moral ones. How do you know that?


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Civil war was between Industrial capitalist North and feudal South. In the North slaves were obsolete because industry growth. That is why there were conflict between North & South.
Case in point. You make the blanket assuption that it all has to do with economics. But we are to believe that YOU are different, right?
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Remember the "great Serbia retreat" of 1915 - cowards!!!

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indeed they are. in every war, serbian terrorists fight against babies, children, women, elderly...
Serbs are no terrorists. Serbs never attacked a foreign country, except in 1885 - the Serbo-Bulgarian war. The only thing Serbs ever did was defending their country from invaders and thieves which desperately tried to get a piece of it.

Austrian and German empires were by far the strongest powers in Europe, before and during WW1. Yet, they collapsed and fell to the ground like autumn leaves when they decided to attack Serbia.

If anything should be learned from history - that is that.
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Serbs are no terrorists. Serbs never attacked a foreign country, except in 1885 - the Serbo-Bulgarian war. The only thing Serbs ever did was defending their country from invaders and thieves which desperately tried to get a piece of it.

Austrian and German empires were by far the strongest powers in Europe, before and during WW1. Yet, they collapsed and fell to the ground like autumn leaves when they decided to attack Serbia.

If anything should be learned from history - that is that.

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Just look at sovenia vs serbia
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...%3Den%26sa%3DN

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Yugoslavia got left behind to the wrinkled serbia no? Did slovenians come to Serbia proper? Did Croatia? Or Bosnia?? What about Kosovo?

watch this video carefully and tell me if serbia has coastal land???
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