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Old 05-11-2008, 08:25 PM
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I'm not engaging the hypothetical, because the premise is that Democrats don't have values.

That's an unprovable, nonsensical, allegation.

What is true is that Republicans, and specifically Vito, rely heavily on talking about the family, what it's values are and should be.

The problem with relying so heavily on that demagoguery is that it makes actions like Vito's all the more reprehensible.
Okay so what is your opinion of Ted Kennedy, Bill Clinton (Lies about and to the American people) & Representative Jefferson? I am in no way saying the Dems don't have standards... just wondering why there was, is no outrage.

What is your opinion of the above?
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Okay so what is your opinion of Ted Kennedy, Bill Clinton (Lies about and to the American people) & Representative Jefferson?
3 bad guys who faced, or are facing their trials in courts of legal, and public opinion.

Vito faces the same herd. Maybe he has a shot at making this ok.

Either way, I doubt he can say "But, other politicians have gotten away with stuff"

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I am in no way saying the Dems don't have standards... just wondering why there was, is no outrage.
There was outrage in all three cases. But, if you're claiming republicans have some kind of standard where they throw their bad apples into the ditch, remember bob ney, who in 2006 plead guilty to corruption charges, and remained in office without resigning for nearly a month.

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My opinion is that any group of 700 or so federal officials will have some people doing illegal, immoral and valueless things.

Those people who claim some kind of "advantage" on legitimacy, morals, and values have a lot harder a fall when thy do illegal, immoral and valueless things.
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Man, congress is full of literal criminals. Check these statistics out:

* 29 members of Congress have been accused of spousal abuse.

* 7 have been arrested for fraud.

* 19 have been accused of writing bad checks.

* 117 have bankrupted at least two businesses.

* 3 have been arrested for assault.

* 71 have credit reports so bad they can't qualify for a
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* 14 have been arrested on drug-related charges.

* 8 have been arrested for shoplifting.

* 21 are current defendants in lawsuits.

* And in 1998 alone, 84 were stopped for drunk driving, but released after they claimed Congressional immunity.
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3 bad guys who faced, or are facing their trials in courts of legal, and public opinion.
Ted Kennedy killed a woman while driving drunk and never missed a beat, other than the fact that he can't be President.
Bill Clinton impeached but one of the leaders of the democrat party.
Jefferson accepts bribes but still in power as the dems protect him.


Vito faces the same herd. Maybe he has a shot at making this ok.
I want him gone for being an idiot and doing things that are not acceptable from someone in his position.

Either way, I doubt he can say "But, other politicians have gotten away with stuff"
He probably will, but that doesn't matter.


There was outrage in all three cases. But, if you're claiming republicans have some kind of standard where they throw their bad apples into the ditch, remember bob ney, who in 2006 plead guilty to corruption charges, and remained in office without resigning for nearly a month.
A whole month, you gotta be kidding me. Ted Kennedy still sits in a seat of power, Bill Clinton the same and Jefferson will not leave until he is in prison or he is not re-elected. Republicans force their member to step down from power positions and in most cases resign.


My opinion is that any group of 700 or so federal officials will have some people doing illegal, immoral and valueless things.
If there is a group of 700 citizens and some do illegal things those that do are thrown in jail. Not if you are a representative though. I want anyone who is in leadership that is a criminal dealt with regardless of party affiliation.

Those people who claim some kind of "advantage" on legitimacy, morals, and values have a lot harder a fall when thy do illegal, immoral and valueless things.
So you are saying, those that expect greatness in individuals should be dealt with more harshly than than those that justify any type of behavior. If I believe in Social Darwinism I can then do anything I want. If I believe in clear cut right and wrong then I am (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) if I do anything wrong.
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Ted Kennedy killed a woman while driving drunk and never missed a beat, other than the fact that he can't be President.
Show me his conviction.

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Bill Clinton impeached but one of the leaders of the democrat party.
Vito Fosella, the subject of this thread. Called the Clinton impeachment "A great day in American history."

So, while you list Democrats who have done bad stuff, this guy is even worse, because of the overt hypocrisy.


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Jefferson accepts bribes but still in power as the dems protect him.
He was booted from comittees and stripped of all party funds. He narrowly won reelection.

He'll face his own day in court soon.

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I want him gone for being an idiot and doing things that are not acceptable from someone in his position.
Don't we all? And it's not the affair, but the drunk driving. Guy should go to jail.

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He probably will, but that doesn't matter.
If he does, he's going to cost the GOP a seat.

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A whole month, you gotta be kidding me.
Ney as convicted, unlike any of those democrats you keep referring to, and after being convicted, (of corruption charges he remained in office, in the capital, as a represenative.

He was a convict, for corruption, remained in congress.



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Ted Kennedy still sits in a seat of power, Bill Clinton the same and Jefferson will not leave until he is in prison or he is not re-elected.
Ted Kennedy was cleared, Clinton was never convicted of any crime, and Jefferson has been stripped of all power, and party money.

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Republicans force their member to step down from power positions and in most cases resign.
No more than Democrats; see Sen. Vitter, Craig, etc.

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I want anyone who is in leadership that is a criminal dealt with regardless of party affiliation.
Don't we all. But, in our legal system, and in the court of public opinion, it certainly isn't for conservatives to simply decide that a Democrat comitted a crime they were never convicted of, or vice versa.



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So you are saying, those that expect greatness in individuals should be dealt with more harshly than than those that justify any type of behavior.
No, I'm saying, let he who has no sins cast the first stone.

It's not about expectations for yourself, it's about projecting yourself as better than others, and the inevitable fallibility of human beings.

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If I believe in Social Darwinism I can then do anything I want. If I believe in clear cut right and wrong then I am (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) if I do anything wrong.
Well, that's all well and good.

Vito Fossella is F'ed.



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So you are saying, those that expect greatness in individuals should be dealt with more harshly than than those that justify any type of behavior. If I believe in Social Darwinism I can then do anything I want. If I believe in clear cut right and wrong then I am (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) if I do anything wrong.
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Vito's misdeed doesn't rise to the level of the Hero of Chappaquiddick's, as I'm sure the Kopechne family would attest.
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Vito's misdeed doesn't rise to the level of the Hero of Chappaquiddick's, as I'm sure the Kopechne family would attest.
good point , I heard so many libs (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)ing about Foley and his text messages but remember gerry studds the dem who cornholed his page?? now thats morals huh
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I wonder why the police didn't pull him out of his car and beat him.

Oh wait, my bad, wrong guy, sorry what was I thinking.


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I wonder why the police didn't pull him out of his car and beat him.

Oh wait, my bad, wrong guy, sorry what was I thinking.


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