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Old 05-11-2008, 07:50 AM
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What's this? No Mothers Day? You have got to be joking. Mothers Day in Australia is today, and it's always a wonderful occasion to get together with family and tell our mothers how much we appriciate them. I can't believe anyone could actually vote against them.
So you need a government-mandated day to do this? Things like this are nothing more than feel-good motions. They do absolutly nothing. It is a waste of federal money and the time of Congress to even consider bills like this.

If you want to honor your mother, then do it. Same with your father, grandparents, teachers, doctors, babysitters. Why do you want the government to declare a specific day for it?
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So you need a government-mandated day to do this? Things like this are nothing more than feel-good motions. They do absolutly nothing. It is a waste of federal money and the time of Congress to even consider bills like this.

If you want to honor your mother, then do it. Same with your father, grandparents, teachers, doctors, babysitters. Why do you want the government to declare a specific day for it?
The federal government wastes money on this? Yet another reason why we should block it in Congress.
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I don't understand why we would even have legislation involving this. I guess this is more of the nothing we have gotten with dems in control.
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the Republicans of the 110th congress have set the record for filibusters with 105. The previous record was 68 and we aren't even half way through the second year.
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Yeah well, the democrats vote against children.


So whose worse? The people who don't visit their mothers on mother's day or the (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)es who kill their children?


I can always visit mom some other day.

When are parents going to visit their aborted kids? At the gravesight? In hell?
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I wonder if hippies sing "kumbaya" in hell?
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So you need a government-mandated day to do this? Things like this are nothing more than feel-good motions. They do absolutly nothing. It is a waste of federal money and the time of Congress to even consider bills like this.
Actually, I'm not sure that's entirely true. By declaring motherhood to be an important part of American culture, they're basically saying, "This is a priority. We need to not lose this. The way we value, respect and love our moms is an important part of who we are. Future legislation must recognize this."

Am I wrong? That's how I took it.
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Actually, I'm not sure that's entirely true. By declaring motherhood to be an important part of American culture, they're basically saying, "This is a priority. We need to not lose this. The way we value, respect and love our moms is an important part of who we are. Future legislation must recognize this."

Am I wrong? That's how I took it.
And that's fine for society to say. The government should not be involved in something like this. If people want to respect and love their moms, then do it.
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I get what you're saying, I think -- that the government should not be in the business of making philosophical choices (such as the value of motherhood) for the people. I agree.

However, this isn't just a philosophical matter. There are practical aspects to it that I think need to be stated, when it comes to government, rather than merely assumed.

If motherhood is important, then we're going to legislate at least a little bit differently than we would if motherhood were not important. If that's a real factor at all, then it should be stated up front. It's fluffy but even fluff isn't meaningless when most of the people involved have law degrees.

Putting it into practical terms, let's look at something like welfare. If motherhood is important, and has been established by congress to be so, then how we treat mothers who are poor or homeless might be a little bit different than if it's been established that motherhood isn't important.

Honestly, I don't think that was a great article. It works hard to be overtly evil to Republicans -- the only effect of which is that Republicans are less likely to read it. In a weird way, that article helps to conceal the actual underlying issue.
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I get what you're saying, I think -- that the government should not be in the business of making philosophical choices (such as the value of motherhood) for the people. I agree.

However, this isn't just a philosophical matter. There are practical aspects to it that I think need to be stated, when it comes to government, rather than merely assumed.

If motherhood is important, then we're going to legislate at least a little bit differently than we would if motherhood were not important. If that's a real factor at all, then it should be stated up front. It's fluffy but even fluff isn't meaningless when most of the people involved have law degrees.

Putting it into practical terms, let's look at something like welfare. If motherhood is important, and has been established by congress to be so, then how we treat mothers who are poor or homeless might be a little bit different than if it's been established that motherhood isn't important.

Honestly, I don't think that was a great article. It works hard to be overtly evil to Republicans -- the only effect of which is that Republicans are less likely to read it. In a weird way, that article helps to conceal the actual underlying issue.
It's not really about whether or not motherhood is important, its about what the government should do about it. In this case, it's just a holiday, and really has no effect on welfare or anything else important. This was a horrible article and it works really hard to slam Republicans in every way possible.

It also does everything to conceal the actual underlying issue, which is the corruption and abuse of power that takes place in our government, and which many liberals openly support because they think a powerful government is a good and helpful government.
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