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Old 07-19-2008, 07:57 AM
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Nope. It ain't a "timetable." It's a "general" discussion related to draw down of some of our troop levels. AS he always said there would be. And Bush has ALWAYS said these decisions would be made by the Generals with Iraqi's governments input. AND that it would NOT be decided by some politicians in Washington D. C. who don't have all the facts. And that is exactly how he's proceeding.
Correct. He has said this from the beginning and he is following through. Let the liberal loonies scream and yell. Who cares?

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What???

Since when did we turn the foreign policy of the United States over to our generals and the officials of other nations? The "politicians in Washington D.C." are precisely the people who have the authority under our Consititution to determine the future course of this war. Relinquishing this authority to Generals and Iraqi pols is a dangerous and irresponsible precedent.
He didn't say "relinquish authority", you did. Bush said he is making the decisions based on the advice from the generals proscecuting the war. Nice try.
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Correct. He has said this from the beginning and he is following through. Let the liberal loonies scream and yell. Who cares?
So predictible. The Bush lovers will never admit that he ever made a mistake or changed his position even a tiny bit. I knew that would happen when this story surfaced.

Timetables? Did I ever say anything about timetables?
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Conditions on the ground?

Hasnt the USA killed enough innocent UNARMED Iraqi men, women and children with their brave air strikes and cluster bombs? (810,000 not enough blood shed is it for Washington???)

Hasnt the USA dumped enough depleted Uranium into Iraq?

Although some of the Depleted Uranium is returning to the USA in the blood streams, sperm and urine samples of the soldiers that were lucky enough NOT to die in iraq.

WITHDRAW? The USA has been withdrawing from all over the place for many decades now - whats wrong run out of civilian targets to destroy?

You immoral right wing corporate fascist freaks

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Wolf Blitzer: Lets move on and talk a little bit about Iraq. Because this is a huge, huge issue, as you know, for the American public, a lot of concern that perhaps they are on the verge of a civil war, if not already a civil war...We see these horrible bodies showing up, tortured, mutilation. The Shiia and the Sunni, the Iranians apparently having a negative role. Of course, al Qaeda in Iraq is still operating.

Bush: Yes, you see -- you see it on TV, and that's the power of an enemy that is willing to kill innocent people. But there's also an unbelievable will and resilience by the Iraqi people...Admittedly, it seems like a decade ago. I like to tell people when the final history is written on Iraq, it will look like just a comma because there is -- my point is, there's a strong will for democracy. (emphasis added)
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Old 07-19-2008, 09:39 AM
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He didn't say "relinquish authority", you did. Bush said he is making the decisions based on the advice from the generals proscecuting the war. Nice try.
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And Bush has ALWAYS said these decisions would be made by the Generals with Iraqi's governments input.
That certainly sounds like relinquishing authority to me. He didn't say "based on the advice." That is your embellishment. JP5 said that "these decisions would be made by the generals..." Two different things.

Bush's tactic is transparent. He selects commanders based on their loyalty and malleability (e.g., Franks, Patraeus). He then says that the "commanders on the ground" will make the decisions. It is just political sloganeering. This war has been driven from the beginning by slogans and not by strategy. The results prove that.
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I cant wait to pull in to port in Austrailia so I can get some more of thos tennis balls my buddies keep talking about! I think its funny that your women there throw tennis balls with their numbers on them, to our ships so we can "hook up" when we get liberty. While you complain about our military always remember that we are keeping your women satisfyed as obviously you guys arent!
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poor toby does not realize those girls are slinging the enumerated tennis balls aboard the ship because their grandmothers do not have the arm strength to make that throw
however, those grandmothers do appreciate how well serviced they are once the GIs make it to shore
admit it toby, it's not like y'all cull anything
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That certainly sounds like relinquishing authority to me.
Nope, it isn't at sll. Presidents have advisors in every capacity. In times of war, the generals give advice. But the final decision rests with the commander-in-chief. He makes the decision based on the best advice available.

I know you like to hate. I know your guy lost in 2000 and 2004. I know it must sting something aweful. But hang on, you get to try again in November.
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I know you like to hate.
You don't know me and I suggest you keep the personal attacks out of your replies to me.

If you want to reword your post without the gratuitous personal pejoratives, I would be pleased to respond.
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What???

Since when did we turn the foreign policy of the United States over to our generals and the officials of other nations? The "politicians in Washington D.C." are precisely the people who have the authority under our Consititution to determine the future course of this war. Relinquishing this authority to Generals and Iraqi pols is a dangerous and irresponsible precedent.
I didn't mean the final decision were that of the Generals. That is and always has been for the Commander-In-Chief. I'm talking about getting the input from the Generals and Commanders on the ground so that the Commander-In-Chief can better assess and therefore make better final decisions.
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