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Old 01-10-2009, 11:00 AM
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...One side is a democratic state which gives full enfranchisement to every religion and creed...
not so. can a non-jew immigrate to israel? can a israeli christian marry an israeli jew? can an israeli-non jew be a pilot in the israeli air force?....

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...while the other openly professes to seek the destruction of a free and democratic state...
from palestinians perspective, and most of the world excepting u.s. and israel, isrealis are european colonizers, and palestinians are paying for a crime commited by europeans in europe.

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...and yet people continue nitpicking military casualties and UN resolutions, refusing to take a stand in the name of what they believe is right...
a matter of degree ~ if i scratch your car does that give you the right to destroy mine.

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...Do the people that live in Israel have a right to peace, to self-determination?
do palestinians have the right to live as human beings?
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Old 01-10-2009, 11:02 AM
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I've seen the UN in action in developing countries. They do some good work. Specifically in this case they were delivering relief supplies as is pretty apparent if you check with any news source. It's hardly a secret so I'm not sure how you could be unaware of what they were doing.
Sure, they may do a great job of providing for civilians, bringing supplies and what not. But let's not forget that the majority of the time the UN can't seem to pull their head out of their you know where's and make an executive decision. One this all started they held a meeting and for the few hours that they were in the meeting they accomplished nothing (as they usually do), they couldn't even make a simple STATEMENT.
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God it's like fighting with a bunch of people from a mental institute. "I've got a good idea Jonah. When the UN aid truck drives by we open fire on it. That ought to really help our image in world opinion."
"I've a good idea Abdulla. When the UN aid truck drives by we open fire on it then have the truck drivers claim there was an Israeli tank in the area. With any luck the world press will believe the Israelis did it."

ZA, Jan 10 (Reuters) - The Israeli military denied on Saturday that Israeli soldiers had shot at a United Nations aid truck in a convoy headed to a Gaza crossing two days ago.

The U.N. Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) had initially accused Israeli troops on a two-week offensive against Hamas Islamists in the Gaza Strip of shooting at the U.N. convoy bringing humanitarian aid on Thursday, killing one worker.

An Israeli statement issued on Saturday said "the Israeli army did not fire upon the truck," and that those wounded in the shooting were treated at an Israeli hospital.

Christopher Gunness, a spokesman for UNRWA, said the agency had not accused Israel of deliberately targeting its personnel.

Gunness said the U.N. had based its account on reports from truck drivers at the scene, who saw an Israeli tank nearby and "were in no doubt they had been fired upon."

He urged Israel to release any photographs of the scene to "find out what happened."

An Israeli military source said Israel suspected Hamas was behind that shooting.
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Agreed. The UN is undeniably worthless.
let's suspend NATO too. The US doesn't even supply forces. Grunt of the burden is on the Germans and the Dutch.
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WOW! Want to put a nail in a thread? Post the FACT that the UN spokesman said the UN NEVER accused the Israelis of deliberately attacking the UN truck.
You radical Islamofacist apologists are going to have to try to find another BS claim to put up. The notion that the IDF would attack a UN aid truck is ludicrous. BTY the UN has a storied history of aiding Hezboolah using ambulances and aid trucks to transport Arab weapons and terrorists.
What many people don't realize/overlook is moderate Fatah members are 'texting' the IDF the locations of every Hamas leader minute by minute. The IDF knows to the second when and where the terrorist leaders took their last leak. Hamas also know this. That's why they need to hide behind women and children for their protection.
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Is there anything insane going on here?
I would say, YES. for what we see is people supporting Hamas
after Hamas attacked Israel. It's insane to support the People
who started it all, unless in the 21Th century we still have Jew
hatters, like we seen in Germany.

The Palestinian people deserve what they get, because they voted
Hamas in. if they don't learn from this, then they are just as
guilty as Hamas is, and shows they believe just as Hamas does.

If the people agree with Hamas's agenda to destroy the people
of Israel, then they deserve to DIE from that Hamas may cause.

If you can't see that your a Nazi Jew hater, then think again.
Because you know that all country's have the right to defend themselves.
Yet your supporting a group that clearly attacked first.


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Funny how a little truth can drive a nail in a flame thread full of BS. LOL
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