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Old 01-12-2009, 04:26 PM
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Nice turn of a phrase, sab, but in essense I'm not kidding. Even Barak Obama openly supports Israel, because he's seen the ugly face of what Hamas and Palestine have become.
I'm really not surprised that Obama supports Israel. He's an elected official in DC.

I was merely commenting on Israel banishing the Arab groups, and thinking it wasn't a very democratic thing to do. Someone pointed out that it was indeed done democratically since they voted on it. I'd like the same vote here in America, aimed at (D)'s and (R)'s, for it is they who are Destroying America.
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Old 01-12-2009, 04:39 PM
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I'm really not surprised that Obama supports Israel. He's an elected official in DC.

I was merely commenting on Israel banishing the Arab groups, and thinking it wasn't a very democratic thing to do. Someone pointed out that it was indeed done democratically since they voted on it. I'd like the same vote here in America, aimed at (D)'s and (R)'s, for it is they who are Destroying America.
Without question you are right, and your point is well taken. My point, which has less moral efficacy than yours, is that right-minded people often make mistakes when faced with an enemy whose values are base and deplorable: the French did it during their Revolution, and the English did it during their own Civil War. Even as late as this century, the United States did it to our own Japanese citizens during WWII. True, all of these transgressions are deplorable, but, even so, Israel, in contrast to Hamas, does not indulge in homocide as a public policy.
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I'm really not surprised that Obama supports Israel. He's an elected official in DC.

I was merely commenting on Israel banishing the Arab groups, and thinking it wasn't a very democratic thing to do. Someone pointed out that it was indeed done democratically since they voted on it. I'd like the same vote here in America, aimed at (D)'s and (R)'s, for it is they who are Destroying America.
If Congress took a vote and democratically banned the Neo-Nazis from the political status necessary to become elected officials, would that bother you? ...Just curious... I normally don't go for the moral equivalency thang but it seems to me that a more accurate comparison might be Israel/Arab and US/Nazi.
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Without question you are right, and your point is well taken. My point, which has less moral efficacy than yours, is that right-minded people often make mistakes when faced with an enemy whose values are base and deplorable: the French did it during their Revolution, and the English did it during their own Civil War. Even as late as this century, the United States did it to our own Japanese citizens during WWII. True, all of these transgressions are deplorable, but, even so, Israel, in contrast to Hamas, does not indulge in homocide as a public policy.
Well said Bobcat. These points, they are for you
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hehehehe, serious? We can do that here too? Democratically eliminate a party from being involved in our politics? Sweet, I feel a whole new campaign slogan coming.
Modify the song slightly and sing "hoot hoot who kicked the pols out?"

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If Congress took a vote and democratically banned the Neo-Nazis from the political status necessary to become elected officials, would that bother you? ...Just curious... I normally don't go for the moral equivalency thang but it seems to me that a more accurate comparison might be Israel/Arab and US/Nazi.
So far as I know, political parties in the USA are not entitled to be on the ballot. I'd look at the election laws in the states and the regs at the FEC. R's & D's are in effect nationally organized clubs with local and state chapters. I think that there are thresholds to be reached before they are on the ballot.

So I don't think Congress can ban them because the 1st Amendment allows freedom of assembly. Plus, if there is a loophole, the people could simply run as an independent.

Gotta love a country that is that inclusive.
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I think that there are thresholds to be reached before they are on the ballot.

So I don't think Congress can ban them because the 1st Amendment allows freedom of assembly. Plus, if there is a loophole, the people could simply run as an independent.
Close. I've helped organize for independent candidates a couple of times. Getting them on the ballot can be overwhelming in the truest sense of the word (but we'll save that for the Govt reform thread). At any rate, I assure you, candidates are, in effect, barred on a regular basis.
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If Congress took a vote and democratically banned the Neo-Nazis from the political status necessary to become elected officials, would that bother you? ...Just curious... I normally don't go for the moral equivalency thang but it seems to me that a more accurate comparison might be Israel/Arab and US/Nazi.
Personally, I don't think that categorically voting any party out is very democratic. It was another poster that implied it was a democratically move in Israel that banned the arab groups. It was to that point that I made me (satirical) comment about banning the (D)'s and (R)'s.

I think the exclusion of the Arab's by the Israelis isn't very democratic, but in the true sense of the form if they voted for it....??? It would take someone far more knowledgeable in the ins and outs of a true democracy to answer that.

None the less, I wouldn't have a problem if the American public said the two parties that ruled during the 20th century have become to corrupted to continue electing them. Hell, not only would I not have a problem, I'd be celebrating for days on end. No more evil please.
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Close. I've helped organize for independent candidates a couple of times. Getting them on the ballot can be overwhelming in the truest sense of the word (but we'll save that for the Govt reform thread). At any rate, I assure you, candidates are, in effect, barred on a regular basis.
Interesting side note. Both the (D)'s and the (R)'s missed the deadline to file in Texas during this last presidential election. Bob Barr sued, since they didn't qualify to be on the ballot, and it was thrown out by the Texas courts. So, the corruption goes long and deep for these two parties
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Interesting side note. Both the (D)'s and the (R)'s missed the deadline to file in Texas during this last presidential election. Bob Barr sued, since they didn't qualify to be on the ballot, and it was thrown out by the Texas courts. So, the corruption goes long and deep for these two parties
Holy court corruption batman !! And in my own back yard. Time to get a rope. Now I gotta go dig on this and figger it out.

Found it. Whatta Crock.

Seems to me the only question is: Did they miss the deadline? It aint rocket science except to the courts I guess.
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Not recognizing the equal status of ALL Israeli citizens is discriminatory AND when its based on ethnic lines, it becomes apartheid...such a "good" practice heh?

So Palestinians are blocked from having their own state and are not allowed to participate or be part of the Israeli state either...and they are expected to what exactly??? Disappear, scatter, die? All of those...that sounds like genocide to me.
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