the end of the charade - Page 3

catawba · #21 (**permalink**) 01-12-2009, 09:37 PM

An interesting article in the latest Time Magazine:

Can Israel Survive?

"As Israeli troops encircle Gaza City, their commanders are faced with a painful dilemma: How far must they advance into the deadly labyrinth of slums and refugee camps where Hamas militants await with booby-trapped houses and snipers? With each passing day, Israel's war against Hamas grows riskier and more punishing, with the gains appearing to diminish compared to the spiraling costs — to Israel's moral stature, to the lives of Palestinian civilians and to the world's hopes that an ancient conflict can ever be resolved. Ideally, in a war shaped by television images, Israelis would like a tableau of surrender: grimy Hamas commanders crawling from underground bunkers with their hands up. Instead, the deaths of at least 40 civilians taking shelter at a United Nations–run school north of Gaza City are more likely to become the dominant image of the war. Israeli politicians and generals know that the total elimination of Hamas' entrenched military command could take weeks; it might be altogether impossible. The more realistic outcome is an unsatisfactory, brokered truce that leaves Hamas wounded but alive and able to regenerate — and Israel only temporarily safe from attack.

Israel's Defense Minister, Ehud Barak, has promised a "war to the bitter end." But after 60 years of struggle to defend their existence against foreign threats and enemies within, many Israelis may be wondering, Where does that end lie? The threat posed by Hamas is only the most immediate of the many interlocking challenges facing Israel, some of which cast dark shadows over the long-term viability of a democratic Jewish state. The offensive in Gaza may degrade Hamas' ability to menace southern Israel with rocket fire, but, as with Israel's 2006 war against Hizballah, the application of force won't extinguish the militants' ideological fervor."

PatriotNews · #22 (**permalink**) 01-12-2009, 09:52 PM

If we could only do something about the democratic party of traitors.

catawba · #23 (**permalink**) 01-12-2009, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by PatriotNews

If we could only do something about the democratic party of traitors.

So you associate truth with traitors, interesting Pat!!!

gypzy · #24 (**permalink**) 01-12-2009, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by sabin

Interesting side note. Both the (D)'s and the (R)'s missed the deadline to file in Texas during this last presidential election. Bob Barr sued, since they didn't qualify to be on the ballot, and it was thrown out by the Texas courts. So, the corruption goes long and deep for these two parties

You won't find argument on that here! I belong to neither party myself. Republocrats....

websthes · #25 (**permalink**) 01-13-2009, 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by gypzy

If Congress took a vote and democratically banned the Neo-Nazis from the political status necessary to become elected officials, would that bother you? ...Just curious... I normally don't go for the moral equivalency thang but it seems to me that a more accurate comparison might be Israel/Arab and US/Nazi.

Apparently in Israel the Nazis are in the majority.

Whatthe · #26 (**permalink**) 01-13-2009, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Bobcat1

Good.

If a party seeks to overthrow an existing consititution, chosen by a free people, whether arab or khafir, then that party should not engage in the political process.

Israel doesn't have a Constitution, in other words, no enshrined rights for all citizens. They're not preaching an overthrow of the Govt, just protesting specific policies, and agitating for equal protection under the law.

sabin · #27 (**permalink**) 01-13-2009, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by pegwinn

Holy court corruption batman !! And in my own back yard. Time to get a rope. Now I gotta go dig on this and figger it out.

Found it. Whatta Crock.

Seems to me the only question is: Did they miss the deadline? It aint rocket science except to the courts I guess.

This crock you talk about, is it the case in general or the fact that laws don't seem to apply to the (D)'s and (R)'s...

alexa · #28 (**permalink**) 01-13-2009, 11:58 AM

Been reading these posts. Also looked at the first link Calm Observer gave

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By a margin of 26-3, the Israeli Central Elections Committee decided to ban the Balad Party from running in next month’s election. By a margin of 21-8, they also banned the United Arab List-Ta’al (UAL-T). The two bans will prevent more than half of the current Arab members of Israel’s Parliament, the Knesset, from running for reelection.

and for elections the next month...

Now I don't think anyone needs to have any other views on anything else at all to see this as the hijacking of democracy.

pegwinn · #29 (**permalink**) 01-13-2009, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jellah

Not recognizing the equal status of ALL Israeli citizens is discriminatory AND when its based on ethnic lines, it becomes apartheid...such a "good" practice heh?

So Palestinians are blocked from having their own state and are not allowed to participate or be part of the Israeli state either...and they are expected to what exactly??? Disappear, scatter, die? All of those...that sounds like genocide to me.

The real shame is that Palastine is/used to be a transjordan. Try to get Jordan to take them now.

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Originally Posted by sabin

This crock you talk about, is it the case in general or the fact that laws don't seem to apply to the (D)'s and (R)'s...

Both. If they missed it, they missed it. HEck they slam independent or libertarians or greens or whatever for anything that will keep them off the ballot. But, since the Justices in Texas are elected they are r's and d's.

Get a Rope.

websthes · #30 (**permalink**) 01-14-2009, 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by pegwinn

The real shame is that Palastine is/used to be a transjordan. Try to get Jordan to take them now.

By them do you mean the Palestinians driven from their homes in what is now Israel?

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