Completely and totally false. We've had that full debate here.

And here.

ROTFL. Absolutely false. We're living in peace? That's not what Master Bush was claiming. He said we were in a "war on terror." Always have to be on the alert because we could be subject to terrorist attacks at any moment, remember?

Our foreign policy is creating enemies for this country. You seem to forget America's support of a number of tyrants in the Muslim world who have terrorized and oppressed their own people - Saudi Arabia for example.

Their list of abuses is rather long.

Also, you ignore other U.S. "interventions."

For example, why were hostages taken in the U.S. embassy in Iran in the 70's?

It was because in Iran, in 1953, the CIA overthrew the democratically elected leader so that British Petroleum could maintain rights to the oil. The oil nationalization bill passed unanimously in the Iranian Parliament. I don't believe in socialist policies - however - that was what their democracy decided. The Shah - the U.S. puppet - had a secret police force that made several people "disappear." And that was the spark that caused the Iranian hostage crisis at the U.S. embassy. Not because they just woke up one day and decided to "hate us for our wealth and freedom."

The CIA's own report, which you can see in the documentary "Why We Fight," stated that the United States should expect "blowback" - meaning violent retaliation - for its role in the coup.

The U.S. has been sticking its nose in Iran and the Middle East for quite some time. It's actions have led to the imprisonment, torture and/or death of innocent people there. In many cases that leads their surviving friends and family to seek revenge. Sometimes this practice manifests itself by the election of radical leaders who preach against the U.S., as in Iran.

This is absolutely laughable - straight out of the Neocon propaganda handbook. Germany was pretty much done after their defeat during the Russian winter.

An army becomes weaker as it occupies more territory, not stronger. That is a logical truth. Also, socialist economies are weaker than capitalist economies and unable to keep up production for an extended war--and Nazi Germany was predominantly socialist.

Neither Hitler nor Japan could have never conquered the world. NO NATION HAS THE ECONOMIC CAPABILITY OF SUSTAINING A WORLD-WIDE OCCUPATION. No population would work under the taxes to fund such a "machine". Also, the superiority of the German army was based on several myths. The facts are that Hitler was being routed on the Eastern front after the beginning of 1942 by the Russians. German factories couldn't meet the demands of the troops with equipment and supplies, as they were running low on almost everything due mainly to the severe Russian winter. Hitler had been so confident of his ability to defeat the Russians he had ordered cutbacks in war production in 1941, this from a supposedly brilliant leader. The following quotes are from "World War 2, The Rest of the Story" by Richard Maybury: "A little known fact is that the Germans actually had two armies. One was the high tech mechanized force you have seen so often in movies. The aircraft, tanks, and artilleries are impressive, no doubt about it. But this force was small. It was only the tip of the spear. The rest of the spear, the main body of the army, was foot soldiers and horses. Yes, horses. When Hitler's massive invasion force was poised on the Soviet frontier in June 1941, it was at its peak. Lined up ready to strike at Stalin were 3,350 tanks. And 650,000 horses. Hollywood devotes a lot of film to the tanks, but how often have you seen the thousands of horses? Most of the horses were used as substitutes for trucks, but the Germans did have a horse cavalry division that was thrown against the Russians. (In contrast) when the British and Americans invaded Normandy in June 1944, they were fully mechanized, while the German army was still dependent on 1,250,000 horses."

No one has ever truly conquered the world. Taking it and holding it are two different things. Even the Roman Empire didn't control the entire world. The "Pax Romana" was a myth--there was actually no such thing. There were constant insurrections, revolutions, uprisings, assassinations, and all manner of violence. There was never any true lasting peace or freedom. It's an historical illusion. To say that the Romans ruled the world is false and it never really happened that way. That's why I say no one can conquer the world in a complete and lasting way--especially a centralized or socialized economy.

And you know who you can thank for installing Hitler into power? The United States. Without the U.S. entering into World War I, Adolf Hitler would have never been elected as Germany's ruler. The Treaty of Versailles led to the worst economic conditions in the history of Germany. Hyperinflation was so bad (in today's dollars a loaf of bread would have been about $250,000) that the money system basically broke down and people resorted to barter in most circumstances. The treaty enraged Hitler for several reasons, all of which he wrote about, as it amounted to an 80% tax on the German economy. But even in conditions as bad as this, the Nazis had no sweeping victory in the election. They barely came to power, and in parliament, Hitler was elected Chancellor by ONE VOTE! You take away the economic conditions and a fanatic like Hitler never would have had a prayer of being elected.

Wars beget more wars. There was massive troop desertion on all sides in WW1 before the U.S. entered the war. If the U.S. would have remained neutral, there would have been a negotiated settlement. But with the new strength of fresh U.S. troops, the Germans were overwhelmed and Britain was able to ram the Treaty of Versailles down Germany's throat.

The only time we should enter a war is if we are directly attacked on American soil WITHOUT PRIOR PROVOCATION on our part. Pearl Harbor doesn't count because Roosevelt purposefully sent warships off the coast of Japan to threaten the Japanese and goad them into attacking. He wanted to enter WW2 to ally with his Communist buddy Stalin.

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If we fight them, that's it for the world. It's a no win scenario with all the nukes involved. They also know this.

Obama's big spending is idiotic, but then so was Bush's. The majority of Bush's spending was domestic. We do have money for our protection - if you define protection as protecting the American homeland.

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“How fortunate for leaders that men do not think.” - Adolf Hitler

"We should never forget that everything Adolf Hilter did in Germany was 'legal'" - Martin Luther King Jr., from a Birmingham jail, April 16, 1963.

I can understand why this could be seen as Occupation-Lite, but I'd rather they erred on the side of caution by planning on 50,000 troops remaining until we are sure they can take full control of the country without our help.

Nancy Pelosi is the last politician I'd be paying attention to where Iraq is concerned. Military operations are a bit over her head. If all goes well it could be the 50,000 troops is an inflated number. There is a lot that can go wrong between now and our exit date, and it's way to early to know what Iraq will be like in 18 months.

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Pelosi is an idiot. She doesn't want to change U.S. foreign policy - she just wants to change the policy in Iraq. And it won't work. The only real long term solution is to return our foreign policy to non-interventionism.

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"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Schopenhauer

“How fortunate for leaders that men do not think.” - Adolf Hitler

"We should never forget that everything Adolf Hilter did in Germany was 'legal'" - Martin Luther King Jr., from a Birmingham jail, April 16, 1963.

I have voted third parties or write ins most of my life. I have yet to see any of them win. I voted the Obama ticket because I was not taking the chance that a third party would have allowed McCain to win. That wgy I did it. Now you know. Obama actually is not socialist enough for me thanks. You vote for who you want and I really don't give a (*)(*)(*)(*) about that. Because I voted the way I did in this election gives you the right to attack me. (*)(*)(*)(*) off.

I love the seeing the reaction of the extream anti-war left who voted for Obama when they found out he's not just going pull our troops out of Iraq. It's like someone ran over their dog or something! Haha!

In all seriousness, Obama's not stupid. He's actually a brilliant politician. He knew the war was unpopular, so he courted the anti-war crowd. In fact, aside from Obama's celebrity and considerable oratory and political skills, the war in Iraq is probably what won him the election. But, as I said, Obama's not stupid. He knows that if he just pulls all of our troops out of Iraq and the terrorists start up again like they were a few years ago, then he will take the blame for our massive failure in Iraq, and rightfully so, because ever since Bush's troop-surge, Operation Iraqi Freedom has been all but won. So he'll continue with Bush's policies in Iraq until the Iraqis are ready to handle it themselves. The good guys win.

And if that wasn't enough to (*)(*)(*)(*) off the anti-war left, Obama has been promising to take a more aggressive stance in Afganistan, even if it means violating Pakistan's borders. Not even McCain put that option on the table! He also implied that he'd take a more aggressive stance than Bush has against Russia. Whether or not he'll go through with it remains to be seen. I guess we'll have to wait for Russia to start there (*)(*)(*)(*) again because its an unfortunate fact of life that most political war-leaders are reactive rather than proactive.

McCain still would have made a better president, but I think I like Obama now.

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You would rather have a scumbag adulterer for president. Hmmmmm.

I have no idea why.

McPalin would'nt have even made good toilet paper, and if those two would have sadly been elected we'd be sucking so much worse right now instead of finally seeing lights at the end of the many dark tunnels to hot heck Bush frantically dug for us instead of doing even one thing good for America in 8 whole years.

That alone should make anyone LOVE Obama.

That's so relevant to the discussion. My take is that if someone can do a good job, they can get laid all they want. It has nothing to with their Presidency. For example, something tells me you weren't one of the ones calling on Clinton's impeachment after finally being caught in one of his numerous forays.

I would rather have a scumbag adulterer than a scumbag politician that is running the country into the ground, not that I was a fan of Mccain anyways, but still.

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Obama isn't even remotely change, though. He promised that he would end business as usual in Washington. His Administration continues to be rife with criminals, lobbyists, and downright morons. His talk of bipartisanship has turned into "do what we say because dissent is partisan and UnAmerican", almost identical to Bush's "You're with us or you're against us".

Obama will, in my opinion, have a worse legacy than President Bush.

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