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Old 08-11-2004, 12:21 AM
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I think I agree with you on much of what you said. I am against the death penalty being used indiscriminately. Sentencing someone to die is a personal matter. It should be considered on a case to case basis and taken very seriosuly. I think most people here are in favor of the death penalty due to the fact that we feel alot of people are not worth the effort of trying to rehabilitating. However, we do feel the system needs some reforms.

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Some Death Penalty Stats:

-10 of the 12 states without capital punishment have homicide rates below the national average, Federal Bureau of Investigation data shows, while half the states with the death penalty have homicide rates above the national average

-In a state-by- state analysis, The Times found that during the last 20 years, the homicide rate in states with the death penalty has been 48 percent to 101 percent higher than in states without the death penalty.

-To keep an inmate in a high security prison for 40 years costs just under $1,000,000. Executions commonly cost three to seven times that amount, mostly for the two-trial, two-attorney phase which cannot be eliminated even with the recent weakening of habeas corpus protections.

-Death penalty cases also clog the courts. The California Supreme Court spends more than half its time reviewing death penalty cases.11 The Florida Supreme Court spends about 80 percent of its time on capital punishment cases.12

-By 1988, Florida had spent $57.2 million on 10 executions, yet had to release 3,000 prisoners early because of a $45 million budget cut. Similarly, although Texas spent $183.2 million for six years on the death penalty, the state can only afford to hold the rest of its prisoners for 20 percent of their time.

I'm not screaming racism with the following but I did find them interesting:

-Because of the unfettered discretion given to prosecutors, judges, juries and governors, minorities are far more likely to be executed than whites. Fifty-three percent of the people executed between 1930 and 1990 were black, even though blacks make up only 12 percent of the population.17

A convicted murderer is also more likely to be executed if his or her victim was white. About 50 percent of American murder victims since 1977 have been black.18 Yet 82 percent of all capital cases involved white victims.19

Since 1976, nationally 85 executions were carried out involving black defendants and white victims, while only 4 white defendants have been executed for killing black victims


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Not "calling you out" or any of that b.s., but I would be interested in your sources. Also I think that if you check you will find that the majority or crimes are between people of different races. This will only turn into a racial profiling legality argument, just so you are aware, where I think this will lead to, which is ok with me, just need to start new thread.
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I say no- only because dna evidence has proven that some people who were killed were actually innocent. If we can make a 100% perfect system I say mass murderers should be executed.
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How can we discourage violence and murder by killing someone?
They won't be violent anymore once they're dead!
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Does anyone have stats on whether or not the death penalty actually deters people from committing murder?

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I don't understand why the tax payers should spend, on average, $36,000 a year to keep a convicted murderer alive in prison for the rest of his life.
Maybe we could find a way for prisons to make a profit off the prisoners.
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I absolutely with out a doubt in my mind believe in the death penalty. The 2 reasons why think that way are who ever said Why should the tax payers pay 36,00 dollars to keep a prisoner in prison? was right we shouldn't. that is all of our hard earned money going down the drain and for what keeping sum one in prison for the rest of their lives? And secondly anyone who is convicted of murder should be sentenced to death. And the only reason why i think that the death penalty has not be working is because we're not doing it enough. I also think that we as a nation should bring back public execution so that it Will set and example to all those people who have not committed the crime yet.
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Has anyone been sentenced the death penalty but later found out to have been inocent?
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Answered this one on another thread:
It doesn't matter if there has been a past case. It's the fact that it could happen. You're arguing that the justice system hasn't failed, doesn't fail, and never will.
Of course it is a moot point. Most people on death row don't have the prestige, money, or intelligence to get a lawyer years after the trial to get retried. They are dependent on people stumbling upon new evidence in a closed case. How often do you expect that to happen?
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Old 01-07-2006, 07:47 PM
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Many of you seem to be under the assumption that the death penalty is an effective deterrent for murder. Someone who has decided to end the life of another human being has already disregarded the most basic social taboos of our society and has accepted the punishment of life imprisonment, which to many is on a par with the death penalty.
Most murderers fall under one of three categories 1. The murderer is under extrenuating circumstances such as anger or confusion. In this case it is clear that they are not reviewing the possible consequences of their actions; thus proving the death penalty an ineffective deterrent. 2. The murderer believes that they are invincible and cannot be punished. Once again the death penalty proves to be an inefficient deterrent. 3. The murderer is suffering from a severe depression. In this case, because the murderer is most likely somewhat suicidal, they are by definition not afraid of the death penalty.
The purpose of a prison is to force or encourage the murderer to repay their debt to society. One may find it difficult to repay their debt to society when one is located six feet beneath the ground. In conclusion the death penalty is only a barbaric means of revenge. On the has no place in a civilized nation.
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