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Old 04-06-2007, 10:20 AM
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Snake-eyes Pelosi has committed a felony. The Logan Act is a law prohibiting anyone, congresswoman or not, from traveling abroad and representing US foreign policy without presidential authorization.

With the Democrats emboldened against America by Reps who won't fight them, don't anyone hold their breath waiting for the same kind of investigation of Pelosi as the ones Dems are currently in a heated orgy of against Reps. But, to make things equal, Pelosi should do 3 years in federal prison and be forced to resign her congressional seat...........no different than demands Dems made of Tom Delay, who has never been charged with a crime.

But, like I said, don't hold your breath..............the Democrat campaign media posing as "news" would never stand for it.
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Old 04-06-2007, 12:10 PM
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Give me a break. Members of Congress have traveled to foreign countries for diplomatic purposes since our country was founded, and there is no law against doing so. As long as they don't lie about their authority they are fine. Three Republicans were doing the same diplomatic negotiations without executive permission literally 2 days before Pelosi did.


Denny Hastert actually went to Columbia in 97 and asked the Columbian government to bypass the executive in discussing foreign relations, something that Pelosi's conduct doesn't even approach in terms of stepping on executive authority. No Republicans were complaining then about an actual overstepping onto executive authority. Imagine the hoopla if Pelosi had asked the Syrians to stop talking to Bush and conduct all foreign policy discussions with her.


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You know, it's funny. I think both of you are right. Yes, I believe now after thoroughly reading the law that Pelosi has commited a crime and I also believe the many other have commited this crime but have never been charged for it. I think this government is really falling apart. I don't know any other way to look at it but this country is falling apart. The Government can't even enforce it's own laws and most presidents today are very mediocre and don't get much good done at all. There is definately an allowance for traitors in our government today. Apparently, it seems our government is shying away from anything that seems fascist. If you do that, what you get is a big disasterous mess that will become harder and harder to govern until...something happens. The US government is way too liberal today and this fact has definately taken its toll on the country. It doesn't appear to me that a conservative will ever be President again. At least, it's not very likely any more. There are 90,000,000 Minority citizens in America now who are supported by a margin of Natives which has drove the highest office to being more and more liberal as time goes on. For example, look at Bush. Bush is really an old-school democrat with balls. He's far too liberal to be thought of as a conservative. What stands him out is his Neo-Con Agenda. I don't believe a Conservative President will ever get elected because not only are they against a lot of present business practices but the vast majority of conservatives do not have the financial resources to endorse him like the Neo-Con candidates do.

I think leaning away from the country's original "Mission Statement" was a big mistake and there's far too much garbage today in government that is ignored. I wish they would all be tried. BS is the enemy of all important things: Social Life, Business, Government, etc.
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Give me a break.
OK. Take a break. But here's the law:

"The Logan Act (18 U.S.C.A. § 953 [1948]) is a single federal statute making it a crime for a citizen to confer with foreign governments against the interests of the United States. Specifically, it prohibits citizens from negotiating with other nations on behalf of the United States without authorization."
http://www.answers.com/topic/logan-act

There's considerably MORE evidence Pelosi broke this law in conferring with Assad, than the flimsy accusation fest Democrats currently substitute for leadership.

Don't fret, though. Just because Democrats are willing to damage America by causing divisivness while our troops are in harm's way if they think it'll score them a single political point, doesn't mean Reps are that cheap and bankrupt for ideas.
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so, what was she negotiating on our behalf?
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Don't forget the Israel part.


The left and her can dance around her playing games with the very nature of our government as outlined in the US Constitution but they can't play games with her role in mistating/giving Israels policy to the leader of Syria.
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Give me a break.
OK. Take a break. But here's the law:

"The Logan Act (18 U.S.C.A. § 953 [1948]) is a single federal statute making it a crime for a citizen to confer with foreign governments against the interests of the United States. Specifically, it prohibits citizens from negotiating with other nations on behalf of the United States without authorization."
http://www.answers.com/topic/logan-act

There's considerably MORE evidence Pelosi broke this law in conferring with Assad, than the flimsy accusation fest Democrats currently substitute for leadership.

Don't fret, though. Just because Democrats are willing to damage America by causing divisivness while our troops are in harm's way if they think it'll score them a single political point, doesn't mean Reps are that cheap and bankrupt for ideas.
Once again, neocons post incomplete information to make their point.
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Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
Pelosi is a member of the US government. I'll wait for the results of her meetings before I criticize or praise her.
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If Pelosi is guilty in this case just about every senator and representative in congress is guilty of violating this act, including the three Republicans who visited Syria 2 days before Pelosi did. The reason they aren't guilty is that none of them do any official "negotiating." Negotiating would involve changing U.S. policy in exchange for something or anything along those lines.
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Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply, himself or his agent, to any foreign government or the agents thereof for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects.
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/h...3----000-.html

violating the statute can be done from your computer, without the need to travel to syria or any of the other countries in which you do not want a voice of reason and diplomacy to visit.
so, what provision of the law has she violated?
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Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply, himself or his agent, to any foreign government or the agents thereof for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects.
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/h...3----000-.html

violating the statute can be done from your computer, without the need to travel to syria or any of the other countries in which you do not want a voice of reason and diplomacy to visit.
so, what provision of the law has she violated?
not that law.

she is bound by the Constitution because she is a public servant -in this case a senator usurping her powers as they are provided by Constitutional law.
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