Thread: By Silhouette & SFJeff's request-ideology of 'gay bashings.'

Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo

If Matthew Shepard carried a gun he might be alive today.

MW Shepard's killer used a gun to beat MW Shepard into a coma & then with a friend tied his body to a fence where he later died of hypthermia. You imply sympathy for MW Shepard, but my reason for talking about Matthew W. Shepard was not to talk per se about his murder case, but who he was. Do you see anything wrong with Matthew Wayne Shepard or as I call him Methew Wayne Shepard committing assault & battery on a Cody bartender & MW Shepard making up a story of being homosexually gang raped 2 months before his death If the Cody police had arrested him for these 2 crimes & not let him go, his killing in Oct. 1998 may have been avoided. If Matthew Wayne Shepard had been a straight man with a history of sexually harassing women who 1 day got beaten & killed in an unrelated robbery, many would say that his killing was karma because of how he poorly treated women & most strangers would not mourn him or hold vigils for him. Matthew Wayne Shepard was a homosexual who victimized others, yet he has been mourned by people who did not know him & had vigils held. 1 could say that MW Shepard's death was his karma for what he did to the Cody bartender 2 months before his death & with him gone we don't know & will never know how much worse he would've become. Matthew (Methew) Wayne Shepard treated people poorly-he was a Meth junky, drunkard, who commits assault & battery & makes up stories. Yes, his killing is unrelated to what he did 2 months earlier, but to repeat, if the Cody cops had pursued charges against MW Shepard when they had the proof, his Oct. 1998 death may have been avoided.

In Claremont Calif., there was an incident where a homo Nativity scene was allegedly damaged by 'homophobes.' This case was in national news but nobody was arrested as of Jan. 2012. The more time that passes w/o an arrest, the less likely they'll catch who did this. It may have been done by 'homophobes' but what is also possible is that the incident was staged by gays & lesbians to try to get sympathy. Gay groups know that these cases will get national news because they're odd & strange & interesting for news. News accounts of 'gay bashings' tends to often be biased in favor of gays because it's a touchy topic. When I read about a 'gay bashing' case, I wonder what the reporter's bias is & how honestly are they reporting this such as did the gay commit criminal assault & battery or harassment before he was bashed or killed.

If a media were to try to bring out criminal acts the gay did before the bashing, then it'll get controversy as gay groups will complain to the sponsors & the newspaper could lose advertisers if there are complaints. To repeat, when I posted on Tiffany Edwards Hunt's blog, she got offended when I gave facts about Matthew Shepard which she disliked. Other than 1 edition, she did not delete my posts because it's factl. Tiffany Edwards Hunt who is pro-gay knows that with the Internet, we can raise things the media gives little talk to such as the bad facts of MW Shepard. If you want to read what I mean about the journalist writing about MW Shepard’s false homosexual gang rape accusation mildly, here’s the article http://www.deseretnews.com/article/6...s-attacks.html I don’t know the journalist who wrote it this about about MW Shepard’s false homosexual gang rape accusation, but it was written mildly. The journalist rather than saying MW Shepard made up false homosexual gang rape accusation wrote it mildly so as not to offend as MW Shepard’s death was getting so much national & later global attention that if the journalist had said MW Shepard made false homosexual gang rape accusation, the newspaper would’ve gotten controversy, lost advertisers because gay groups complain among other things. The article is mild & 1/2 true. The police is the 1 who brings/drops charge. The journalist only gave some facts. Matthew W. Shepard committed assault & battery when he grabbed the Cody bartender's arm & jacket after the bartender told him no. Since the article was written in Oct. 1998 right after his death which was getting national publicity, the news about Matthew (Methew) Wayne Shepard committing assault & battery & making up story was mildly written to avoid controversy of gay groups complaining to advertisers as attacking the dead.

Originally Posted by snowisfun

[FONT="Century Gothic"][COLOR="Sienna"]In Claremont Calif., there was an incident where a homo Nativity scene was allegedly damaged by 'homophobes.' This case was in national news but nobody was arrested as of Jan. 2012. The more time that passes w/o an arrest, the less likely they'll catch who did this. It may have been done by 'homophobes' but what is also possible is that the incident was staged by gays & lesbians to try to get sympathy.]

It also may have been done by rabid mutant dogs created by our Martian overlords. Why do you feel compelled to speculate without any evidence whatsover?

Why on earth did you bring this incident up?

Originally Posted by snowisfun

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When I read about a 'gay bashing' case, I wonder what the reporter's bias is & how honestly are they reporting this such as did the gay commit criminal assault & battery or harassment before he was bashed or killed. ]

Why do you wonder that?

When a woman has been raped, and killed, do you wonder whether she had done something to deserve it? I really, really don't get what your point is.

Originally Posted by snowisfun

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To repeat, when I posted on Tiffany Edwards Hunt's blog, she got offended when I gave facts about Matthew Shepard which she disliked. Other than 1 edition, she did not delete my posts because it's factl. Tiffany Edwards Hunt who is pro-gay knows that with the Internet,]

Why do you keep bringing up what you have posted on other forums and blogs?


Here is a little exercise for you:

Write a one sentence statement about what your concern is.

Follow that up with no more than 3 sentences of supporting statements and facts to elaborate your thesis.

See if you can make a point in 4 sentences or less.

SFJeff, I can not take you seriously given the fact that you were an apologist for Harvey Milk the homosexual statutory rapist who also had sex in parks . As to the Claremont nativity scene, it's a good possibility that gays/lesbians staged the incident for sympathy. The cops have not arrested any1, so the motive for gays & lesbians to do this would be there. You have not disproved the theory. But to repeat SFJeff, what you say can't be taken seriously. I don't know if you're straight but no matter who you are, it's best to distrust gays & lesbians.

Originally Posted by SFJEFF

Why do you wonder that?

What I wonder is did the media leave out this main fact so as not to offend gay/lesbian groups as to avoid losing advertisers. Do you SFJeff see something wrong with a gay harassing a man in the bathroom or committing assault&battery on a man such as grab the man's butt or groin against will SFJeff if a gay is bashed or killed by man in these situations, then it happened because the man reacted to a crime the gay did-a jury decides if the man reacted justly or excessively & if it's excessive, then what degree. SFJeff, given that you saw nothing wrong with what Harvey Bernard Milk did, I repeat that you can't be taken seriously. I don't want gays committing harassment or assault&battery. In fact, I don't want harassment or assault&battery done by men against women as I don't want men grabbing a woman's butt or boobs against her will. Unless you're being attacked, it's a crime to grab some1's butt, groin or boobs against will. If a gay is going to grab a man's butt or groin against will, then there's no need for a man to take this assault&battery & he has a right to use any just force to end it.

Originally Posted by snowisfun

SFJeff, I can not take you seriously given the fact that you were an apologist for Harvey Milk]

You clearly have a reading comprehension problem.

I am no apologist for Harvey Milks.

I just despise it when people make things up- and when confronted about it, just keep repeating the falsehood.

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the homosexual statutory rapist who also had sex in parks . ][/QUOTE]

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And as I said to you when you said it last time- show me the evidence that shows that Milk was a statutory rapist

Originally Posted by snowisfun

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As to the Claremont nativity scene, it's a good possibility that gays/lesbians staged the incident for sympathy. The cops have not arrested any1, so the motive for gays & lesbians to do this would be there. You have not disproved the theory. But to repeat SFJeff, what you say can't be taken seriously. I don't know if you're straight but no matter who you are, it's best to distrust gays & lesbians.

Do you know what a person is called who judges a whole class of people just because of their race, religion or sexual orientation- a bigot.

You can make up whatever theories you want about who did something to a nativity scene in Claremont....its just like your Milk story- your theory for what appears to be nothing other than your anti-homosexual agenda.

Originally Posted by snowisfun

What I wonder is did the media leave out this main fact so as not to offend gay/lesbian groups .

You just can't write a succinct, clear post.

Write away...I am just not going to try to decipher what you are trying to say.

SFJeff to repeat, it's good to be bigoted against gay/lesbian activities by consenting adults just as it's good to be bigoted against drug use by consenting adults because gay/lesbian activities are useless & anti-social. No matter why people take part in homo/lesbian activities, it's best to find a cure for this. It's not worth debating the fact that Harvey Bernard Milk was a homosexual statutory rapist who had sex with 16 year old boy just as it's not worth debating 3+2=5. I believe you know HB Milk did this.

With 'gay bashings' this will offend but I would rather have a case where a jury decides if a man's reaction to bashing or killing a gay who has harassed or done assault&battery on him is just or excessive force, vs. the man not doing enough. Repeat-if a gay is being anti-social such as harassing you in the bathroom or committing assault&battery on you & you're not going to try to stop the abuse, then some say that maybe you deserve the abuse. Also the abuse can worsen. If a gay thinks he can get away with harassment or assault&battery, then he can get more violent as he may start thinking that he can get away with homosexual rape. So no sympathy for a gay who gets bashed or killed after he committed assault&battery or other crime on a man who would not take it.

Originally Posted by snowisfun

SFJeff to repeat, it's good to be bigoted against gay/lesbian activities by consenting adults just as it's good to be bigoted against drug use by consenting adults because gay/lesbian activities are useless & anti-social. No matter why people take part in homo/lesbian activities, it's best to find a cure for this. ]

Even bigots are allowed to express their opinions. I think your comments are pretty useless and anti-social, but I would not advocate that you be prevented from saying them.

Originally Posted by snowisfun

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It's not worth debating the fact that Harvey Bernard Milk was a homosexual statutory rapist who had sex with 16 year old boy just as it's not worth debating 3+2=5. I believe you know HB Milk did this.]

In other words, you don't care about the facts- just accept what you say. I prefer to go with the facts.

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So no sympathy for a gay who gets bashed or killed after he committed assault&battery or other crime on a man who would not take it. QUOTE]

Luckily for all of us...that is not how the law works in the U.S.. You can use reasonable force to defend yourself, but you can't decide weeks later to beat a man unconscious and then tie him to a post to die from exposure and claim you were provoked.

What you are describing is murder, unless the person was using reasonable force in order to defend his or herself from physical harm.

That you do not seem to comprehend this, and seem so worried about being fondled by some Gay man, and not being able to beat him up in response worries me.

Murder is murder. You don't get to excuse it just because you claim that some guy patted you on the butt and it offended you.

Originally Posted by SFJEFF

Murder is murder. You don't get to excuse it just because you claim that some guy patted you on the butt and it offended you.

SFJeff, said no such thing other than that murder to repeat has different degrees. But these cases are unpredictable because if a gay is doing what's described, he may have intent to commit other crimes. If a man grabbed a woman's butt or boobs against her will, then it's a good possibility the man may have intent to do something else such as rape. So if a gay is killed after he grabbed a man's butt against will, a jury decides if the man reacted justly or excessively, as it's [B]possible to say the man was protecting himself against homosexual rape. If it's excessive, then what degree & if I were a juror in a murder case where a man kills a gay after the gay grabbed a man's butt against will, I would likely convict the man of a lesser charge such as manslaughter if I don't think the gay had any other intent. Could I acquit the man on self-defense grounds Possibly, if the defense lawyer can show that the gay had other bad intent such as to commit homosexual rape, esp. if the gay had past incidents of assault&battery. The gay was anti-social, but again it's a jury topic.

With Matthew (Methew) Wayne Shepard, again not interested in discuss his murder per se, only that 1 can say that MW Shepard being murdered by 2 men in Oct. 1998 was MW Shepard's 'karma' for the Cody police pursuing assault&battery + falsely reporting crime charge in Aug. 1998 when they had the proof. Yes, MW Shepard's killers committed murder-but if Matthew Shepard's murder prevented MW Shepard from making up any stories about being homosexually gang raped which can send innocents to jail, then yes, Matthew Shepard being murdered may in the end prove to be the lesser of 2 evils. Finally, I used to be neutral on gay/lesbian activities but after thinking about it, have decided that it's anti-social just as drug use is anti-social.