Thread: 4 Witnesses Have Changed Their Stories in the Zimmerman Case.

Oh I have never spoken to media inquiries re: any criminal matters.. I am saying they can't get the facts right even in business reporting.

Originally Posted by SkyStryker

Actually, this case was the first time I ever emailed a journalist. I pointed out why the SYG did not apply and used that to show why her article was wrong. She claimed her article was accurate until the guys who wrote the law said it didn't apply to Z for the exact reasons I told her a few weeks before. She suddenly lost my email address.

I know what you mean, but Z supporters and their double standards on this are astronomical and almost comical. Like a real life The Onion.

personally I have not heard any witness that is 100% reliable in this case, what I depend on most is the 911 calls, and so far I believe Z is guilty of manslaughter based on current evidence as I do not believe he intentionally went out to kill Martin, but i do believe it was his actions that led to Martin being killed that night

can one use self defense to justify murder in defending oneself from the one their perusing defending themselves, I do not think so
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Originally Posted by FreshAir

personally I have not heard any witness that is 100% reliable in this case, what I depend on most is the 911 calls, and so far I believe Z is guilty of manslaughter based on current evidence as I do not believe he intentionally went out to kill Martin, but i do believe it was his actions that led to Martin being killed that night

can one use self defense to justify murder in defending oneself from the one their perusing defending themselves, I do not think so
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Actually, you pretty much just defined 2nd degree murder by Florida law. M2 does not require intent to kill at any point in time. This is probably one of the reasons some people think he was over charged but M2 in FL does not have the same standards as many states.

Originally Posted by SkyStryker

Actually, you pretty much just defined 2nd degree murder by Florida law. M2 does not require intent to kill at any point in time.

It may or may not..

If you pull a gun and shoot, that becomes intentional.. as opposed to premeditated or with malice.

Originally Posted by Margot

It may or may not..

If you pull a gun and shoot, that becomes intentional.. as opposed to premeditated or with malice.

The defendant can claim they did not intend to kill the person. By Florida removing the "intent" element it removes a lot of dancing room for people who illegally shoot other people. It doesn't matter if Z intended to kill or not. Pulling his gun and shooting the person he just harassed and profiled as a criminal without just cause, becomes depraved indifference towards human life.

Originally Posted by SkyStryker

The defendant can claim they did not intend to kill the person. By Florida removing the "intent" element it removes a lot of dancing room for people who illegally shoot other people. It doesn't matter if Z intended to kill or not. Pulling his gun and shooting the person he just harassed and profiled as a criminal without just cause, becomes depraved indifference towards human life.

Tryy it this way.. the gun didn't go off accidentally.. you see ?

Originally Posted by Margot

Tryy it this way.. the gun didn't go off accidentally.. you see ?

Intentionally pulling the trigger does not automatically translate into intending to kill the person. A fine line but one skilled defense lawyers have used to help acquit people. Florida was smart enough to remove intent to kill from the books so the prosecution doesn't need to prove intent to kill to prove M2.

Originally Posted by Dasein

Here are the key ways in which their stories changed.



http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...ing-fdle-agent

Very interesting. Says a lot about witness testimony.

Two doctors, Loftus and Loftus, and published on the reliability of eyewitness testimony and their research is credible. Of course, lynch mobs aren't concerned with credibility. Emotion rules.

Originally Posted by PatrickT

Two doctors, Loftus and Loftus, and published on the reliability of eyewitness testimony and their research is credible. Of course, lynch mobs aren't concerned with credibility. Emotion rules.

When you look at the earliest witness accounts, then the second version then the third version, it is pretty clear SPD seriously influenced witness testimony which is why their latest versions are much closer to their first versions. Not ALL of them of course, but a couple of key ones.

Murder in the Second in Florida:

The unlawful killing of a human being, when perpetrated by any act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life, although without any premeditated design to effect the death of any particular individual, is murder in the second degree and constitutes a felony of the first degree, punishable by imprisonment for a term of years not exceeding life or as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

That means that the prosecution will have to prove that Zimmerman acted in a dangerous way and was of depraved mind regardless of human life. Sorry, but following someone is not an imminently dangerous act. Asking someone a question is not an imminently dangerous act. Carrying a gun legally is not an imminently dangerous act and that he used his legal weapon while getting beaten is not evidence of a depraved mind regardless of human life.