Thread: Justifiable homicides nearly triple after Florida 'Stand Your Ground' law passed

Originally Posted by toddwv

Yes.

The allow is being used to allow people to instigate confrontations and then respond with lethal force.

Yes, and we can look to George Zimmerman for that one.

Why is it that liberals think citizens should be so reliant on the government to deal with all their problems?
What makes you think the police can be trusted more than the average citizen?

For every Zimmerman, there are one of these: California Police Beat Man to Death

You didn't read the article, did you?

This is NOT about liberals or anti gun.. Its about a badly written law that can be used by criminals.

Originally Posted by Anders Hoveland

I do not understand. People should have the right to defend their property and protect their family's safety with a gun.
And if the intruder is carrying a gun, the homeowner should have the right to shoot the intruder immediately on site, before the intruder shoots the homeowner.

It is just incomprehensible that liberals are so concerned about the life of an intruder that breaks into someone else's house, especially if that intruder is carrying a weapon.


It would be interesting to see how the crime rate will be affected. I bet there will be fewer burglaries, and fewer women that get raped in their own homes by unknown intruders. And lets look at the obvious plus side of all these homocides: there will be fewer criminals on the streets.

Nothing wrong with the previous self defence law, this one is about reactionary politicians seeking votes and making a really crap law.

According to the stats at this site, violent crime, forcible rape and aggravated assault rates by population and by ranking in the country have dropped since the law was enacted.

Originally Posted by hiimjered

According to the stats at this site, violent crime, forcible rape and aggravated assault rates by population and by ranking in the country have dropped since the law was enacted.

Looks to me like murders increased from 2006 thru 2009.....

Originally Posted by Margot

Looks to me like murders increased from 2006 thru 2009.....

Murders did, possibly because people were wrongly trying to abuse the stand your ground law. Regardless, several of the types of crimes that prey upon innocents like rape and aggravated assault have gone down.

Actually, I bet the law had little effect and the rates would have changed similarly without it. It is still a law that takes away some of the monopoly on violence that criminals otherwise would have.

Originally Posted by hiimjered

Murders did, possibly because people were wrongly trying to abuse the stand your ground law. Regardless, several of the types of crimes that prey upon innocents like rape and aggravated assault have gone down.

Actually, I bet the law had little effect and the rates would have changed similarly without it. It is still a law that takes away some of the monopoly on violence that criminals otherwise would have.

In Daytona, drug dealers claim immunity under SYG.

The article is very long.

Correlation v causation.

Originally Posted by Margot

In Daytona, drug dealers claim immunity under SYG.

The article is very long.

But how often does that actually happen and work for them. Like any other article, it picks a couple of specific cases and implies that those cases prove that there is an epidemic. I'm sure that this law gets abused like nearly every other law does. I doubt that its abuse is as common as the article implies.

Oh, and in the article only one likely dealer actually used the law - and he shot the guy who was delivering the drugs to him. The other was a buyer shooting a dealer and the third case failed to use the law.