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Old 06-09-2008, 09:18 PM
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tee hee hee...silly cons.
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By Erwin Chemerinsky and Catherine Fisk
Misleading and silly slogans about what judges do are dominating the debate about Supreme Court nominee John Roberts.
President Bush and Republican politicians constantly repeat, as a mantra, that Roberts is a desirable choice because he won't "legislate from the bench" and will merely "apply the law, not make it."

But every lawyer knows that judges make law — it's their job. In fact, law students learn in the first semester that almost all tort law (governing accidental injuries), contract law and property law are made by judges. Legislatures did not create these rules; judges did, and they continue to do so when they revise the rules over time.

Indeed, one of the most fundamental doctrines of American law — the authority of courts to declare laws unconstitutional — is entirely made by judges. Nowhere does the text of the Constitution mention the power of judicial review, and it may fairly be debated whether the framers of the Constitution intended to create such a power.

Supreme Court justices must interpret the broadly worded provisions of the Constitution and decide the meaning of vague terms that protect "liberty" or prevent government from the "establishment of religion" or from imposing "cruel and unusual punishment."

A few examples

For example, more than 60 years ago, the court considered an Oklahoma law that required the sterilization of anyone convicted twice of a felony involving moral turpitude (in that case, the crime was robbery). The court held that the law did not provide equal protection and added that forced sterilization was unconstitutional because the right to procreate is a fundamental aspect of the liberty protected by the Constitution. The justices were "making" the law.

Likewise, in the landmark decision of Brown v. Board of Education, the justices "made" the law in deciding that the equal protection clause prohibited racial segregation in schools and in overruling the infamous decision of Plessy v. Ferguson, which had held the opposite.
gawd, I forgot to make this point as I kept getting drawn into the silliness that is right wing-nut spin.
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[quote=DanteAugustusGermanicus;556684]tee hee hee...silly cons.
gawd, I forgot to make this point as I kept getting drawn into the silliness that is right wing-nut spin.[/QUOTE

Where is this coming from? And why bring it up???
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Judges donot make law.

The Judiciary judges the law.

The Legislative Branch makes or creates law.

Are you seriously kidding me?
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gawd, I forgot to make this point as I kept getting drawn into the silliness that is right wing-nut spin.
What part of "interpret" not "invent" do you not understand?
They are employed to interpret existingf written and enacted law, not make (*)(*)(*)(*) up!
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that's the essence of anglosaxon law, there's nothing be talk about because this system works for over thousand years and works. casuistry is included
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As K-2 so aptly noted, this system is the basis of Anglo-Saxon law and has been proving itself for well over a millennium.

In the US, judges have been interpreting the law since the beginning - and the SCOTUS judges interpretation has the force of law because it cannot be appealed. The only time it has been called 'inventing a law' is when the right-wingers do not agree with the interpretations of the SCOTUS.

The proper way to change a law is to go through Congress - not to stack the SCOTUS with justices that will vote the way you want them to vote.
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In one sense the courts this thread is correct in that the courts do establish the common law. Prior decisions by the courts are often cited in cases as "precidence" and carry considerable weight. This is complex though because it relates to the structure of the court system itself.

The SCOTUS does have a Constitutional responsibility as defined in Article III Section 2
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so the claim that the SCOTUS is not mandated with applying the Constitution in cases is false. Some would call this "creating law" but in fact it is about applying the Constitution and their decisions are based upon legal arguments in the application of the Constitution. I believe that we have seen misinterpretations of the Constitution by the SCOTUS, such as with the application of the "general welfare" statement in Article I Section 8 which actually referes to the general welfare of the States and not of the People and the specific responsibilities related to promoting the general welfare are defined within the enumerated powers and not subject to the whims of Congress. That notwithstanding the intent is clear whether it is followed or not by the SCOTUS.
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In common law a neat trick is courts "rediscovering" old laws. The concept of "disuetude" holds that laws can fall into disuse and can effectively be ignored by the courts. You know those lists of crazily outdated laws that you read from time to time - that's disuetude. But now and again courts can "rediscover" law. English courts did this with the law of affray some years ago, they dug up the old law and stated that the old law was still valid (handy for dealing with football hooligans).
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