[quote="AmericanMan";p="314245"]On historical immigration levels relative to population, and on the fact that, for example, only 3 percent of the land area of the United States is considered "developed", and it's where 75 percent of the population lives. Throw in rural residential -- farmhouses, sprawl, subdivisions -- and you're still only talking 6 percent of the total land area.

Yes, a first-grader and a preschooler.

Irrelevant even if true. Here in Minnesota, we actually fund our schools adequately so as to avoid that problem.

Naturally, some border regions are coping with serious problems caused by heavy immigration. See my comment about "regional dislocations" above. But on a national level, the mere *number* of immigrants isn't that big a deal.

You're entitled to your opinion. I disagree that legal immigration needs to be slashed, and I disagree with the "at all costs" aspect of your second point. Whatever solution we come up with shouldn't cost more than the problem.

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Ahhhh...well that explains a lot raytri…

My last moves have been from living in: So Cal for 9 years, East Phoenix for 11 years and now back to Southern California for the last 2 years (have always had relatives in SoCal and visited all the time).

I’ve seen what illegal immigration has done to these areas and communities (something I’m not even going to get into).

Until you’ve lived in a deteriorating southern border state, the illegal problem is nothing but “numbers” to you. When you watch the towns you grow up in get overran by people who don’t respect the land, country or people…you realize it isn’t something we can shrug off as a minor issue.


Until we start accepting immigrants at the border and shipping them to rural states, the south-west will continue to deteriorate.

…and additional “funds” would accomplish very little. On your next visit to an urban area, try to find open lots where more schools can be built.

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The Solution for Illegal Immigrants (Gray areas discussed throughout the thread)

I sympathize. I agree that such regional effects should be a national concern: the cost should be borne by the nation as a whole.

I think that overstates the problem. Cities are constantly redeveloping. It may not be simple to find space for schools, but it can be done. Heck, Manhattan has managed to find space for multiple new schools in the last few years. They're private schools, but they still had to find space, and they had to do it without eminent domain.
http://nymag.com/news/features/23783/

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Well that certainly does explain a great deal Ray.
You are completely disconnected from this issue.

Perhaps if we (as mentioned by dead center) shipped you guys 2-3 million of these poor impoverished people to take care of, spending your public funds, diminishing the vevel of education by sheer numbers. Your tax money having to pay for their heating bills, people in your state losing their jobs to illegals who work for far less than the $14hr that the locals get. Every construction site you pass would be comprised of all hispanic laborers where you used to see a mix much more the reflection of the national population.

How many hospital emergency rooms in your area are choked with hispanics using them as their primary health care? What does that do to everyones health care insurance premiums?

How many signs in the grocery stores, retail stores, voting booths, billboards, hospitals, drivers licence offices or other places do you see on a daily basis that are printed in english and spanish?

Perhaps if you and your family were actually living this problem, you would have a different perspective about this too.

BTW, you never commented on the video. (Immigration gumballs)
What say you on those numbers?

You said that we only use around 6% of our total land mass.
What does that mean? That we should turn the whole of the North American continent into a mud hole? My Grandfather immigrated here from Greece.
Back when immigration was controlled according to OUR needs, and OUR best interests. Not according to PC politicians and the desires of multi-national corporations.

Also,
Please explain how, and who will pay for the massive expansion to
this nations infrastructure? Power, gas, schools, sewers, sewer treatment,
roads, water, food. Who pays? What would be the true long term impact of this massive growth?

No one is explaining this to me or anyone else.
And until they do, in no uncertain terms the resistance to this will continue grow, and this chicken little along with around 90% of the rest of America
is watching this issue with all due alarm. 2008 is right around the corner.