You obviously didn't listen to that Collins guy then. He could hardly put an entire thought together.

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"What exactly is this foreign policy experience?" Obama said mockingly of the New York senator. "Was she negotiating treaties? Was she handling crises? The answer is no."

I did listen -- and was impressed by the poise and straightforwardness he showed before a crowd. That was before I found out he was a former reporter, which helped explain his articulateness. "Could hardly put a thought together"? One of our lenses is badly skewed.

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Man up.

here's the video. I'd be interested to hear what people think about his ability to "string a thought together."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJmRhmXDfvQ

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Man up.

You mean MR. "I'm not excited to be here" as he beats his way to reporters to yammer for an hour??? Give me a freaking break.

I'll make a bet with you right now. I'll bet you the guy will write a book and try to make money off of it and I'll bet you this was his plan all along. We'll give it 6 months----if no word of "a book" coming from Collins, then I'll apologize to you. If before that 6 months is up we hear of his plans to write a book---then you'll apologize to me. Deal?

And how about all that......"We didn't discuss our politics; I think one or 2 said they were independents".....and "I felt sorry for Mr. Libby, even though I'm not saying he's someone I'd ever vote for."

He did that over and over again----say they didn't discuss such and such. And in the very same sentence tell us how they DID discuss it. Oh, and what about the time he said he read the newspapers EVERY day----but claimed to know nothing about this Wilson thing? Come on, Raytri----even you can't possibly believe this man.

He reminds me of someone who continually tries to convince us how "independent" and "Non-partisan" they are---when we all know they are not. I'll just betcha more will come out about this man. People will be researching trying to find his previous blogging, political board writings about this case.

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"What exactly is this foreign policy experience?" Obama said mockingly of the New York senator. "Was she negotiating treaties? Was she handling crises? The answer is no."

It is a shame when the "most powerful country in the world" is unable to keep its own factions from mindlessly assaulting one another. Yet, these factions have been known to question as to why other factions in the world can not "just get along."

"Libby, who was Cheney's chief of staff, was found guilty on Tuesday of four of five counts of obstructing justice, lying and perjury during an investigation into the administration's disclosure of the identity of undercover CIA official Valerie Plame, Wilson's wife."


"Libby, the former top aide to Vice President Dick Cheney, told FBI investigators and a grand jury that Russert told him of Plame's identity in a conversation on July 10, 2003. Libby later recanted, saying he came across a note that jogged his memory, and that he first heard her name about a month earlier from Cheney."

"Earlier Wednesday, jurors heard tapes of Libby telling a grand jury that he learned of Plame's identity from Vice President Dick Cheney. Libby said in the audio recordings that he came across a note that indicated he first learned the information from Cheney."

"Mr. Russert could not remember the exact details of his telephone exchange with Mr. Libby, like the time of day. A defense lawyer read an F.B.I. report where Mr. Russert said that he could not rule out discussing Ms. Wilson with Mr. Libby, but had no recollection of it. Mr. Russert said he did not believe he said that."

I have little idea of what the morale standards are in the US, but is there not a difference between forgetfulness and lying?

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When mankind has a question, nature usually has an answer.

The "moral standards" in the US are changing rather rapidly in the US.

Once the Democrat special prosecuter realized there was no crime committed, he set about determined to create one. Democrat Russert made two conflicting statements to authorities and got a pass. Republican Libby made two conflicting statements to authorities and got convicted of perjury. Democrat Bill Clinton committed perjury and got a pass.

These are the "moral standards" we have in the US. Democrats can't win elections based on their ideas and leadership, so they have to win power through double-standards and demonization of their opponents.

How many Democrats on this forum thought Democrat Clinton should get a pass for committing perjury to avoid an $800,000 judgement in a harassment lawsuit, but now think Republican Libby should go to prison for harming no one?