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in the current issue of his title, Captain America takes bullets in the shoulder and stomach while on the courthouse steps. The assassin is alleged to be Sharon Carter, an intelligence agent romantically involved with Captain America. She was apparently under the control of Dr. Faustus, a supervillain. “It seemed a little radical when it was first brought up,” said Dan Buckley, the president and publisher of Marvel Entertainment, about the hero’s death. “But sometimes stories just take you places.”
Of course, he could come back anytime.

I await the posts blaming liberal PC for this....
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That's sad... but yeah, just like all the characters he'll come back somehow or they'll claim it's in another dimension or something. But it's still sad.
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Yawn...

He's not dead. He's just in hibernation until Marvel decides to bring him back to cash in. Heroes dying in the mainstream Marvel Universe has become almost a cliche'. DC pulled the same crap with Superman.

The only place where marvel heroes STAY dead is the "Ultimate" Universe.
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What's so special about Captain America, anyway? Can't some other guy or gal simply pick up his shield and carry on? They just need to find someone who looks good in tights and is into martial arts and ultimate frisbee.
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Technically, no. Captain America wasnt just a soldier with a shield. He was the product of a unique super soldier syrum that they have never been able to replicate.

While he technically isnt superhuman, all of his abilities are the peak of what human beings are capable of. No human is faster, stronger or more agile. A lot of geeks like to debate who would win in a fight between him and Batman. The answer is, in a fist fight, Captain America would wipe the floor with him. Batman is exceptional, but Steve Rogers is literally as perfect as you can be (physically) and still be considered human.

They've tried to replace him before and it didnt work well. Persoanlly, he isnt one of my favorite charatcers. But the Ultimate Universe version of him rocks. That version is a lot less milquetoast...he is what you would expect from a WWII era soldier.
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What was the deal with the Red Skull anyway? Obviously he was a commie and he was ugly... but did he actually have powers or just an unending army of goons like all the other supervillains?
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That's sad... but yeah, just like all the characters he'll come back somehow or they'll claim it's in another dimension or something. But it's still sad.

Hopefully Capt.America2.0 will have a more practical outfit.
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He was the product of a unique super soldier syrum that they have never been able to replicate.

While he technically isnt superhuman, all of his abilities are the peak of what human beings are capable of.
Ah, that I did not know. I never read any Captain America comics (or the Avengers -- I think he was part of that group). I didn't really get into Marvel Comics as a kid, at the time I didn't care for the "soap opera" drama of heroes dating other heroes and their various psychological problems in coping with their abilities, etc. Hence, more kid-friendly DC.
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Publicity stunt for the upcoming movie.



Superman has died.
I think Batman died(well got paralyzed)
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What was the deal with the Red Skull anyway? Obviously he was a commie and he was ugly...
He wasnt a commie. He was a Nazi.

The only comic I liked him in was Captain America #367...which I bought when I was still collecting comics in 1990. It was during a crossover thing marvel was doing called "acts of vengence" where villains fought heroes they didnt usually fight or something. Magneto (a victim of the concentration camps) used the opportunity to beat the living snot out of the Red Skull.

Magneto was always one of my faviorite anti-heroes, and the Red Skull was one of the villains I liked to hate the most. Magneto imprisoned him in a small underground room with only water for several weeks to force him to experience what the camps were like. Even though I almost never collected Captain America as a kid, that was still one of my favorite comics. It was a good issue.

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No. Which is one of the reasons I hated him. I never understood why "real" heores like Spiderman or Superman put up with these namby-pamby wannabees who were basically just normal people (The Kingpin was another one). It was always gratifying to see them taken down a peg.

The red Skull's thing was mostly lackeys, robots (and other minor technology) and his "dust of death". He smoked one of those fancy european type cigarettes all the time, and if you got close enough, he would blow through it and spew his "dust of death" all over you, and the poison would supposedly kill you. An oh-so-subtle analog to the gas chambers I assume.

He tried it with magneto too. But his "magnetic force field" protected him. No, I do not know how a magnetic force field can protect you from non-magnetic gas, but apparently it can.

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There is already a Captain America 2.o, and he does have a more practical outfit. But he is called "Ultimate Captiain America" now.

The Ultimate Universe is basically like an alternate reality of the mainstream marvel universe. It was created to showcase more believable analogs to mainstream marvel heroes. It's target demographic is people in their 30s and 40s who collected comics as a kid, but want more believable versions of them. The Ultimate characters are more like the ones you see in moves than the ones you see in mainstream comics.

I dont collect comics now, but if I did, it would probably be from this series.

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Me: While he technically isnt superhuman, all of his abilities are the peak of what human beings are capable of.

Ah, that I did not know.
His shield is special too...it is made of an Adamantium/vibranium alloy. It is actually slightly stronger than adamantium, which is (supposedly) the most indestructable metal in the Marvel universe. Adamantium is the same thing Wolverine's skelleton and claws are coated with.

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I never read any Captain America comics (or the Avengers -- I think he was part of that group). I didn't really get into Marvel Comics as a kid, at the time I didn't care for the "soap opera" drama of heroes dating other heroes and their various psychological problems in coping with their abilities, etc. Hence, more kid-friendly DC.
I never read the Avengers either...I collected the mutant titles, before they started getting stupid in the mid-90s.

The soap-opera stuff was part of the appeal to me. DC (at the time anyway) seems kind of childish by comparison. The X-men were not gleaming icons like Superman...they had problems. Nightcrawler could teleport, but he looked like a freak. Cyclops could shoot beams from his eyes...but he couldnt turn it off. Rogue could absorb the powers and memories of anyone she touched, but she couldnt control it (and it drove her nutty every time she did it). Stuff like that.

Phoenix is probably still my favorite character of any comic, and she was at the center of a lot of drama. I do admit the whole Cyclops/Jean Grey thing got really old.

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Hopefully this one will be better than the last direct-to-video version. That one was pretty awful.
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