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WASHINGTON (AP) - To back up his point that pulling out of Iraq would be a disaster, President Bush has quoted opinions from the secretary of defense, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the top U.S. general in Iraq—and now, two bloggers from Baghdad.
Bush made a surprising reference to the blogosphere during a spirited defense of his war strategy on Wednesday. The mention seemed even more unusual because the president didn't identify whom he was quoting, so he seemed to be leaning on anonymous commentary.

"They have bloggers in Baghdad, just like we've got here," Bush told the National Cattlemen's Beef Association.

Then he began to quote: "Displaced families are returning home, marketplaces are seeing more activity, stores that were long shuttered are now reopening. We feel safer about moving in the city now. Our people want to see this effort succeed."

His point was that Iraqi people are seeing signs of progress—and what better example of their unbridled expression than blogs.

It turns out, the White House made clear hours later, that he was quoting two brothers, Mohammed and Omar Fadhil. They write an English- language blog from Baghdad called IraqTheModel.com. Both of them got to meet Bush in the Oval Office in 2004.

In his speech, Bush was pulling select lines from an op-ed that the brothers wrote. It appeared in The Wall Street Journal on March 5.

Blogs are Web sites that tend to be narrow in focus and directed at a niche audience. Most operate without editors and give instant reaction to the news. Their freewheeling, open nature makes them popular but also ripe for unverified statements.
There's more, but I had to chuckle at the last paragraph above. AP is part of a media that's being edged out by the new media. Bloggers are a part of that now. They couldn't just let bloggers get away with being actual news sources could they?
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That last paragraph comprised of three sentences. Did any of them strike you as being innaccurate?

It is widely regarded, even on anonymous internet forums, as `bad form` if one`s argument is so weak that one is reduced to relying on blogs for validation. To see a President do the same is just....
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I blog, and I wouldn't consider me a credible news source. But that's mostly because I tend to comment on the news, not do original reporting.

Some blogs would count as news sources -- as in, they do original reporting -- but the question is whether you can trust them. As far as Iraqi blogs in particular, I think it would be foolish to take any one of them as gospel. Maybe if you read a couple of dozen, from across the spectrum, you might start getting a feel for what life in Iraq is like.
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Bloggers are not credible news sources.
Drudge constantly has incorrect information, I believe he said it is around 20%.
That blogger site a few days ago that reported Edwards was stepping out of the race is another example.

These are both very credible sites and they constantly post out right lies, unintentionally.

I think the whole "new media" is just a conservative pipe dream. What they really mean is " a media that reports news I agree with".

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Bloggers are not credible news sources.
Drudge constantly has incorrect information, I believe he said it is around 20%.
meehh.. a couple of times bloggers have come up with a good lead. Such as the pervert republican congressslime and DanRather's aborted swiftboating.



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As for a President of the United States quoting a blogger during a public speech on major US policy... Laughably amateurish. GWB really does need better speech writers.

After dicknbush spent gagillions building the federal Dept of Homeland Security, you'd think junior would have better people to quote and listen to.
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What gives a "journalist" more credibility than a blogger? Nothing I can see. If anything, the blogger would be more interested in telling his own point of view, while the journalist is most interested in selling his story. If you're talking about day-to-day life in Iraq, one is just as good as the other. Either one may have a different perspective or make the whole thing up out of their imagination.

Personally, I like the soldier's blogs. They're verifiable, and they give a tiny slice of the big picture.
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yah 12th, but again.. the POTUS quoting bloggers and journalists during major policy speech is a bit amatuerish. Whats next, dubya's gonna be wearing pinstripeed suit with cowboots on?



One thing Obamamalamadingdon's presidential candidacy got going for it is we know Barack is good at writing his own stuff and quick on the draw with a verbal retort. Thats a plus for his candidacy in my book.
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What gives a "journalist" more credibility than a blogger?
A journalist has (or should have) a professional ethic of independence and truthfulness. If a journalist posts enough lies or inaccuracies they may lose their job.

None of this holds for bloggers.
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What gives a "journalist" more credibility than a blogger? Nothing I can see. If anything, the blogger would be more interested in telling his own point of view, while the journalist is most interested in selling his story..
That's the thing. Bloggers are good at telling their points of view. They do not even make lousy attempts at being objective. They have full autonomy and no accountability. While the news is subject to the critique of bloggers and other news sources, bloggers are large in number, small in following, and are never critiqued UNLESS they end up on the news. There is no system for checking the accuracy of bloggers and they are not high-profile enough to demand any such checks.

But it is a moot point. The main problem with using "upbeat bloggers" as a source is that it is kind of like saying "A few guys I met said things are doing great." Chances are that there are gloomy bloggers to cancel out any upbeat ones... and maybe even a few that try to be objective. To cite a couple bloggers is essentially the same thing as citing a couple kids off the street... and likely ignoring the one that doesn't give the answer you want.
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yah 12th, but again.. the POTUS quoting bloggers and journalists during major policy speech is a bit amatuerish. Whats next, dubya's gonna be wearing pinstripeed suit with cowboots on?
It depends on what he is saying. The experiences and opinions of those who live there should be welcome. IMO, it's just as reliable as journalists opinions esp. when the journalists likely don't know what it was like there before.

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To cite a couple bloggers is essentially the same thing as citing a couple kids off the street... and likely ignoring the one that doesn't give the answer you want.
Now don't pretend that you believe journalists never do that.
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