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Wow.

Isn't that like all the MSNBC and CNN debates combined?

But, oh no...EVERYONE knows FoxNews is "biased," so no one watches it right?
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Ron Paul 34%
Huckabee 27%
Giuliani 11%
Romney 10%
Thompson 9%
McCain 5%
Hunter 1 %
Tancredo 0 %
Ron Paul is the consistent winner in these post debate polls. Why does that allow the media to assume that his supporters are manipulating the system instead of accepting the poll results as a legitimate poll response?
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Ron Paul is the consistent winner in these post debate polls. Why does that allow the media to assume that his supporters are manipulating the system instead of accepting the poll results as a legitimate poll response?
Because among republicans who will vote in the primaries, he is polling no where near that high. He only polls well in online polls in which anyone can vote.

The Democrats do not want to be on FOX until after the primaries. They're only preaching to their base right now anyway.
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"2,462,000 Total Viewers"

considering Hannah Montana gets 2.5 million for a rerun on the Disney channel, that's a high number.
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Ron Paul is the consistent winner in these post debate polls. Why does that allow the media to assume that his supporters are manipulating the system instead of accepting the poll results as a legitimate poll response?
Because among republicans who will vote in the primaries, he is polling no where near that high. He only polls well in online polls in which anyone can vote.

The Democrats do not want to be on FOX until after the primaries. They're only preaching to their base right now anyway.
ok 12th mom, let's go over this s-l-o-w-l-y:

republican debate held
polls open
Ron Paul receives more votes than any other republican

how is that to be found a manipulation? that Ron Paul is the consistent winner might be anathema to the kool aid contingent, but what basis does faux news use to assert that the poll results are other than valid?
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Ron Paul is the consistent winner in these post debate polls. Why does that allow the media to assume that his supporters are manipulating the system instead of accepting the poll results as a legitimate poll response?
Because among republicans who will vote in the primaries, he is polling no where near that high. He only polls well in online polls in which anyone can vote.

The Democrats do not want to be on FOX until after the primaries. They're only preaching to their base right now anyway.
ok 12th mom, let's go over this s-l-o-w-l-y:

republican debate held
polls open
Ron Paul receives more votes than any other republican

how is that to be found a manipulation? that Ron Paul is the consistent winner might be anathema to the kool aid contingent, but what basis does faux news use to assert that the poll results are other than valid?
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Paul shut Hannity up by reminding him it was a FOX poll.
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Ron Paul is the consistent winner in these post debate polls. Why does that allow the media to assume that his supporters are manipulating the system instead of accepting the poll results as a legitimate poll response?
Because among republicans who will vote in the primaries, he is polling no where near that high. He only polls well in online polls in which anyone can vote.

The Democrats do not want to be on FOX until after the primaries. They're only preaching to their base right now anyway.
ok 12th mom, let's go over this s-l-o-w-l-y:

republican debate held
polls open
Ron Paul receives more votes than any other republican

how is that to be found a manipulation? that Ron Paul is the consistent winner might be anathema to the kool aid contingent, but what basis does faux news use to assert that the poll results are other than valid?
It was a Republican debate. The only thing that matters is who primary voters think won the debate. What the general public think may be interesting, but unimportant. The only place where Paul is likely to win that kind of percentage is in his home district. He's my representative. Here, in my district, he's liable to win more than 50%, but no where else. Now, unless you want to assert that he is likely to win the nomination, the poll results are not valid.
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Ron Paul is the consistent winner in these post debate polls. Why does that allow the media to assume that his supporters are manipulating the system instead of accepting the poll results as a legitimate poll response?
Because among republicans who will vote in the primaries, he is polling no where near that high. He only polls well in online polls in which anyone can vote.

The Democrats do not want to be on FOX until after the primaries. They're only preaching to their base right now anyway.
ok 12th mom, let's go over this s-l-o-w-l-y:

republican debate held
polls open
Ron Paul receives more votes than any other republican

how is that to be found a manipulation? that Ron Paul is the consistent winner might be anathema to the kool aid contingent, but what basis does faux news use to assert that the poll results are other than valid?
It was a Republican debate. The only thing that matters is who primary voters think won the debate. What the general public think may be interesting, but unimportant. The only place where Paul is likely to win that kind of percentage is in his home district. He's my representative. Here, in my district, he's liable to win more than 50%, but no where else. Now, unless you want to assert that he is likely to win the nomination, the poll results are not valid.
poll data for any republican debate would be invalid and there can be no actual winner and no loser because the potential poll voters are not exclusively republican.
makes one wonder then (1) why push the poll; (2) why publish results which have NO meaningfulness; and (3) why does faux news not devise an alternative polling technique which is able to record the votes only of republican voters? rhetorical questions 12th as we know faux does not seek to report reality ... it wants to create public perceptions hoping they will become the real outcomes. faux channel would make joseph goebbels proud
http://ics.leeds.ac.uk/papers/vp01.c...193&paper=1211

in the case of Ron Paul, and again accepting 12th's logic, it would appear that he is a strong candidate as he crosses over into the non-republican camp to garner support. that would seem to be a good thing ... unless you are opposed to what Ron Paul stands for
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Poll data for any republican debate would be invalid and there can be no actual winner and no loser because the potential poll voters are not exclusively republican.
Well, they could poll exclusively republicans. As a matter of fact, they had an small republican audience for the debate and when they polled them, not a single one said Ron Paul won.

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I like Ron Paul. He very well may be a strong national candidate if he got the nomination. A Hillary supporter may say he won the debate, though with zero chance of voting for him in the general election. Java has said he'll vote democrat. Does it matter in the least who he thinks won the debate? The audience who actually attended the debate booed Paul several times. Do you think it's possible that the guy that got booed beat out the guy who got a standing ovation?

Now, unless you want to assert that he is likely to win the nomination, the poll results are not valid.
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