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Old 06-12-2008, 07:28 AM
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Because they're gay?
that explains why you were trying to ask me out for a date.

It all makes sense to me now
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Immortal technique speaks the truth.

But I agree that cowardly shouldn't be the worst thing you can call someone. I guess I was trying to make the broader point that petty insults hurled at terrorist organisations obviates any possibility of meaningful dialogue. Lackluster, do you really think that we should wipe out anyone who wishes us ill because they are subhuman?

I think if that is the way we solve problems it would quickly degenerate into a war of all against all, and that's not what we want at all. I agree that the only valid way of voicing concerns is through diplomacy, and that terrorists are horrid people, but people nonetheless, and desperate ones at that. Just look at the progress that has been made with the IRA and their terrorism. That was done through inclusion and a commitment to negotiation.
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But I agree that cowardly shouldn't be the worst thing you can call someone. I guess I was trying to make the broader point that petty insults hurled at terrorist organisations obviates any possibility of meaningful dialogue. Lackluster, do you really think that we should wipe out anyone who wishes us ill because they are subhuman?

I think if that is the way we solve problems it would quickly degenerate into a war of all against all, and that's not what we want at all. I agree that the only valid way of voicing concerns is through diplomacy, and that terrorists are horrid people, but people nonetheless, and desperate ones at that. Just look at the progress that has been made with the IRA and their terrorism. That was done through inclusion and a commitment to negotiation.
Bingo. Completely rejecting the opposing party from negotiations is not diplomacy at all; it simply perpetuates the cycle of violence. Our goal should be the lessening of violence, not the escalation of warfare until the other side has been wiped out by attrition. Also, our focus should be at the roots of the terrorist problem: the poor villages and working towns in the Middle East that house the next-generation of suicide bombers.
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naw, I think it's because they have religion.
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Why would the media portray terrorists as brave? That's just... wrong?

Besides, they are deliberately targeting civilians. At least we accidentally target civilians! That's at least twice as moral.
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Why would the media portray terrorists as brave? That's just... wrong?

Besides, they are deliberately targeting civilians. At least we accidentally target civilians! That's at least twice as moral.
Ahh, Catonian, that's an assumption on your part. You don't know that. In fact, it is in our practice in warfare that we determine probable civilian deaths in a highly populated target area as "acceptable loss".
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Why would the media portray terrorists as brave? That's just... wrong?
Why do they need to be portrayed as brave or cowardly?

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Besides, they are deliberately targeting civilians. At least we accidentally target civilians! That's at least twice as moral.
The issue isn't over morality. It's over "cowardice".

Frankly I'd think more poorly of someone for bad ethics than for being afraid. Why the big need to claim terrorists are "cowards"?
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Why would the media portray terrorists as brave? That's just... wrong?

Besides, they are deliberately targeting civilians. At least we accidentally target civilians! That's at least twice as moral.
Of course you wouldn't label 'em brave.

However, simply putting a label on them and not having an honest discussion about why they do what they do, bothers me.
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