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Old 06-13-2008, 03:00 PM
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The brilliant Tuatara was absolutely correct to point out that those (mainly) men in suits who have garnered positions of power, are no more or less cowards for ordering other men to drop bombs from thousands of feet on defenceless men, women and children, then say, the suicide bomber is. The difference Tuatara and myself have with many on this site who rarely tire of venting their spleens on bemoaning the activities of "other" terrorists, but remain silent when acts of state terrorism are undertaken by the powerful against the powerless in our name, is that such contributors views are highly SELECTIVE in who they deem to be 'terrorists'.

For such people, it is inconceivable that "our side" (the economically powerful) can ever be capable of committing acts of terrorism, either directly or indirectly, against "their side" (the economically powerless). It is within this context that the late Peter Ustinov remarked with precision: "War is the terrorism of the rich and powerful, and terrorism is the war of the poor and powerless."
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Somewhere in Iraq in the middle of a fierce firefight.

PFC Cantonian: A terrorist is trying to kill me. He's shooting at me.

Lt. Lackluster: Which one?

PFC Cantonian: That one over there.

Lt. Lackluster: There are many of them over there. Which one?

PFC Cantonian: The one wearing the keffiyah and a white shirt.

Lt. Lackluster: All of them are wearing keffiyahs.

PFC Cantonian: But, sir, they are terrorists. Shouldn't we catch them and send them to jail.

Lt. Lackluster: <shouting> WILL THE SAMMI THAT IS SHOOTING AT PFC CANTONIAN PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND AND IDENTIFY YOUSELF.

Islamist: <shouting> No. I'm not telling you my name.

Lt Lackluster: <shouting> You are shooting at the US Army. That makes you a terrorist. We have to take you to jail. Now give us your name and stop being a coward.

Islamist: <shouting> Your shot at us first. You came here and shot at us.

Lt. Lackluster: <shouting> Now look, Sammi, we came here and shot at you first because we were told to. You can't just go shooting back. We are the US Army. That makes you a terrorist. Now please identify yourself Sammi, name and address.

Islamist: <shouting> (*)(*)(*)(*) you, American pig dog.

Lt. Lackluster: <angered and shouting> Now see here, Mr. Potty Mouth! We have women soldiers over here and we do not use that kind of language in the US Army. It's offensive and could be considered sexual harassment. So just watch your tongue.

PFC Cantonian: He's still shooting at me, sir.

Lt. Lackluster: Will you please shut up, Cantonian?

PFC: Cantonian: These terrorists are cowards sir.

Lt. Lackluster: <shouting> Will the Sammi who is shooting at PFC Cantonian please act like a man instead of a coward and please raise your hand so that we can identify which Sammi you are.

Islamist: <shouting> Eat (*)(*)(*)(*) and die America Bush dick sucker.

Lt. Lackluster <screaming> Gosh darn it. I am losing my patience with you. I will not allow you to curse like that in front of my female soldiers. I'm mad as heck. I demand that you stop the obscenity and identify yourself.

Islamist <shouting> I am the man whose house you destroyed. Whose shop you blew up. You (*)(*)(*)(*)ing idiot.

Lt. Lackluster: <shouting> Yes, well that gives you no right to scream obscenities and shoot at PFC Cantonian. I'm not going to ask you again to tell me your name. And watch your potty language. There's no need for that.

Islamist: <shouting> Oh, all right. It's Hussein Al-Hussein.

Lt. Lackluster: Write that down Cantonian. The guys name is Al Hussein.

PFC Cantonian: Sir, I think he said Hussein Al-Hussein. That's like "Bill Smith".

Lt. Lackluster: Mr. Hussein. Can I call you Al? Thank you and please wait for us after the firefight is over so that we can take you to prison.

Islamist: "(*)(*)(*)(*) your mother with my donkey's dick."

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The brilliant Tuatara was absolutely correct to point out that those (mainly) men in suits who have garnered positions of power, are no more or less cowards for ordering other men to drop bombs from thousands of feet on defenceless men, women and children, then say, the suicide bomber is. The difference Tuatara and myself have with many on this site who rarely tire of venting their spleens on bemoaning the activities of "other" terrorists, but remain silent when acts of state terrorism are undertaken by the powerful against the powerless in our name, is that such contributors views are highly SELECTIVE in who they deem to be 'terrorists'.

For such people, it is inconceivable that "our side" (the economically powerful) can ever be capable of committing acts of terrorism, either directly or indirectly, against "their side" (the economically powerless). It is within this context that the late Peter Ustinov remarked with precision: "War is the terrorism of the rich and powerful, and terrorism is the war of the poor and powerless."
You are absolutely right. Tuatara as well.
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Somewhere in Iraq in the middle of a fierce firefight.

PFC Cantonian: A terrorist is trying to kill me. He's shooting at me.

Lt. Lackluster: Which one?

PFC Cantonian: That one over there.

Lt. Lackluster: There are many of them over there. Which one?

PFC Cantonian: The one wearing the keffiyah and a white shirt.

Lt. Lackluster: All of them are wearing keffiyahs.

PFC Cantonian: But, sir, they are terrorists. Shouldn't we catch them and send them to jail.

Lt. Lackluster: <shouting> WILL THE SAMMI THAT IS SHOOTING AT PFC CANTONIAN PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND AND IDENTIFY YOUSELF.

Islamist: <shouting> No. I'm not telling you my name.

Lt Lackluster: <shouting> You are shooting at the US Army. That makes you a terrorist. We have to take you to jail. Now give us your name and stop being a coward.

Islamist: <shouting> Your shot at us first. You came here and shot at us.

Lt. Lackluster: <shouting> Now look, Sammi, we came here and shot at you first because we were told to. You can't just go shooting back. We are the US Army. That makes you a terrorist. Now please identify yourself Sammi, name and address.

Islamist: <shouting> (*)(*)(*)(*) you, American pig dog.

Lt. Lackluster: <angered and shouting> Now see here, Mr. Potty Mouth! We have women soldiers over here and we do not use that kind of language in the US Army. It's offensive and could be considered sexual harassment. So just watch your tongue.

PFC Cantonian: He's still shooting at me, sir.

Lt. Lackluster: Will you please shut up, Cantonian?

PFC: Cantonian: These terrorists are cowards sir.

Lt. Lackluster: <shouting> Will the Sammi who is shooting at PFC Cantonian please act like a man instead of a coward and please raise your hand so that we can identify which Sammi you are.

Islamist: <shouting> Eat (*)(*)(*)(*) and die America Bush dick sucker.

Lt. Lackluster <screaming> Gosh darn it. I am losing my patience with you. I will not allow you to curse like that in front of my female soldiers. I'm mad as heck. I demand that you stop the obscenity and identify yourself.

Islamist <shouting> I am the man whose house you destroyed. Whose shop you blew up. You (*)(*)(*)(*)ing idiot.

Lt. Lackluster: <shouting> Yes, well that gives you no right to scream obscenities and shoot at PFC Cantonian. I'm not going to ask you again to tell me your name. And watch your potty language. There's no need for that.

Islamist: <shouting> Oh, all right. It's Hussein Al-Hussein.

Lt. Lackluster: Write that down Cantonian. The guys name is Al Hussein.

PFC Cantonian: Sir, I think he said Hussein Al-Hussein. That's like "Bill Smith".

Lt. Lackluster: Mr. Hussein. Can I call you Al? Thank you and please wait for us after the firefight is over so that we can take you to prison.

Islamist: "(*)(*)(*)(*) your mother with my donkey's dick."
Wow -- a piece of pure idiocy just for me!

I'm thrilled.
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just abortion clinics.....
Ok, another kind of terrorist.
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First of all these brave freedom fighters are not terrorests.

They are just patriotic people who are using the resousces available to them to fight injustice and oppression.

They should be admired for standing up against impossibe odds and making a personal and sacrificial statement.
If they want to make a statement, they can do it a different way than killing innocent civilians.
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It is everywhere in the media and in political discourse. The first comment made on any terrorist attack, possibly after calling it a tragedy, was that it was 'senseless and cowardly'. I take issue with both these terms, and I honestly don't understand why this has become an accepted part of the political lexicon on both sides of the aisle in any given country.

We know that terrorist attacks are not senseless. This is what distinguishes them from the acts of mass murderers and serial killers. All relevant definitions of 'terrorism' state that an act of terrorism must be politically motivated. It is not constructive at all to be labelling an attack senseless. The most important issue in any terrorist attack is not the people that died, but the motivation that brought the attack to be, the motivation that could spur many more attacks in the future.

As for the world 'cowardly', I suspect this is just vacuous sloganeering on the part of politicians and media commentators unable to find words to express their opposition to the act of terrorism in question. It seems pointless to call them 'cowards', this brings nothing to the debate, and does not shed any more light on the issue. Quite apart from that, any man who believes in his faith/political conviction strongly enough to kill many others and take his own life is not a coward. He is demonstrating a profoundly twisted worldview, he may be psychologically unsound, if you want to call it that, but he is certainly not a coward.

It may be nitpicking, but I don't understand why this is one area where all semblance of decorum goes out the window. It's as if terrorists give you a free shot to say whatever horrible thing you can think of, and no one will mind. Is it too extreme a stance to take that terrorists are human beings too?
its cowardly to target innocent civilians,
just because you cant go punch for punch with your enemy's military.
they intentionally try to kill as many civilians as possible because its easier.
and they get no milk and cookies for their sacrifice.
theyre all expecting to spend eternity in heaven instead of a lifetime in the middle east.
doesnt sound like much of a sacrifice.
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