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Actually no. Look at post #62. I have that part quoted myself.

I have dealt with the dishonest writings of Bogdanor before. Unfortunately I can not argue these snippets because I cannot see where he is getting his numbers and references from.
Which is why I have provided the sources for you on several occasions. Bognanor provides sources to Chomsky's lies.

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There are so many factors you are overlooking. Some locations were very hard to travel to, remote areas far from able roads, also false information was being fed to the government that some peasants were hoarding food from others. There is a great paper on it here but unfortunately you have to pay for it online. I have a copy of the journal at my local university. Maybe you can access the PDF file.
They weren't remote enough that they were able to take the food from them. And the government taking food from peasants under the guise of "well we heard some stuff" is no different. It absolves them of nothing.

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You didn't show that it declined. You showed an estimated number and showed no earlier comparisons.
I didn't claim it did, that was Chomsky's lie.

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Like I said, numbers like these are always being argued. I know for a fact that many numbers are bloated beyond belief. You should know that with some places doing Iraqi death counts.
And no numbers of any respectability show a "considerable" change. Chomsky lied. Feel free to prove these numbers I provided were bloated since you know it for a fact.

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I think peasants from any economic or political model consider themselves slaves and most would agree that they are.
When you don't get paid and are forced to work you are a slave. So it was a Chomsky lie, they did not participate.

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I'm not familiar with this part but when I have time tell me the book to read about it.
I already posted it in the first thread. In the Washington Connection and Third World Fascism he said that the estimates of killings were provided by the CIA or Saigon Propoganda Ministry and that there was no evidence that leadership ordered the murder of peasants

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Don't you mean Cambodia. I have read many journals on this and have found the numbers to agree with Chomsky. Don't also forget Pol Pot was supported by the US.
Feel free to provide links to these journals. Every source I found including the link provided here says differently.

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Never heard anything about this. What book, what page? Hopefully my local library will have the book.
Both from the Sept-Oct 2002 issue of International Socialist Review. In The Devil's Accountant from New Yorker magazine he also claims (lied) that the US didn't primarily fight the war against the Nazi's, that the Soviets did. And that both Britain and the US supported Hitler.
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