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Old 01-10-2006, 12:47 PM
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But consider just a few recent developments that have not been widely reported outside of Tehran.

* On January 3, Iran’s Revolutionary Guards Corps began a two day seminar in Tehran devoted to nuclear-biological-chemical warfare and new defense technologies, that included lectures by Iranian experts on electromagnetic pulse weapons, graphite bombs, and laser-guided bombs. These are the same weapons many Western intelligence analysts believe Iran will attempt to use against us.

* On January 4, three battalions of the IRGC ground forces began three days of NBC military exercises in Semnan province, not far from Iran’s main ballistic missile proving ground.

* In addition to a recent $1 billion arms agreement, announced last month, Russia is now negotiating with Iran’s Revolutionary Guards to modernize Iran’s fleet of MiG-29 fighters with state-of-the-art radar, electronic counter-measures, and reconnaissance systems, specifically designed to counter the threat of Israeli aircraft. A Rev. Guards buying mission will visit Lukhovitsy and Kalayazin in Russia to view these new systems in February 2006. The Russians have also agreed to sell Iran S-300 anti-missile systems, believed by most experts to be superior to any comparable system currently available on world markets.

* Iran’s top nuclear negotiator, Ali Larijani, told Iranian TV on January 3 that Israel will “suffer a great loss” if it attacks Iran, noting that Israel has “no strategic depth” and is “within our range.”

On the same day Larijani made those remarks, the Islamic Republic authorities sent an official letter to the International Atomic Energy Agency in Vienna, announcing their intention to resume enrichment activities at a variety of nuclear sites across Iran on January 9.

The resumption of enrichment activities, which could give Iran the special nuclear material needed to make nuclear weapons, has long been sited by Israel as the “red line” they would not allow Iran to cross.

Iran now appears ready and willing to cross that red line. And with Mr. Sharon sidelined from Israeli politics, Israeli military leaders are unlikely to bet on a prayer and a chance that Iran just might be bluffing.
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I know the leader of Iran is evil....but is he really that stupid?

If he does anything close to that, it would be Iran's last move. It would be suicide. But then, that's the M.O. of those nuts. So, who knows?
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Default Relocation of Israel

I know it sounds like a far-fetched plan, but this would solve the Mid-East problem once and for all.

After the WWII, allies made a mistake with the formation of Israel in a region where Palestinians have been living for over thousand years...

Granted that there are no international agreements on land ownership, but if a group has been living there for that long period of time, than, if you ask me, it's their land.

Germany owes Jewish people to give them land, for them to relocate.
It doesn't seem like a likely scenrio, but I say this, because weapons are becoming more and more sophisticated - and this is bad for Israel.

Oil money can buy these sophisticated weapons for Arabian nations and Iran - and they will be harder to push back. Indeed there exists a bomb that can wipe out Israel off the map, in a single push of button. I am not saying Iran already has them, but nuclear bombs can be bought in the black market for mere millions.

There is no defence against such an attach.

Germany should come to Israel's aid, and offer them land.

When an American suggested it to Mr. Sharon, he was at first surprised by it, but then he seemed to warm to the idea, if the conditions were satisfactory.

I know this sounds far-fetched and too grandiose in scope, but it will diffuse that hot region, and we would have made that region more conducive
to peace once and for all.

I don't say this in the same spirit as the Iranian president who says similar thing - this idea was suggested years before he said it - by well meaning Americans who wanted to help diffuse the tension in that region.

If you want to be a peace maker, we need to stop this constant almost habitual "hate" for theother group, and take a hard look at our-selves, to see if we are really fair to all the parties concern... and I think some will agree that we have made a mistake with the formation of Israel... and the Arabs do have legitimate reasons for grievances...

Not a pleasant thing to have to admit, especially since we, US, too have tasted the bitter fruits of Bin Laden, but perhaps this will lead to a better future - both sides taking a hard lookat themselves, and admitting mistakes, and understanding theother side's grievances, rather than continuing forward with "we are good, they are bad" concept forever in an escalating violent fashion.
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Granted that there are no international agreements on land ownership, but if a group has been living there for that long period of time, than, if you ask me, it's their land.
Nope. At no point in time did the Palestinians own the land. The Ottomans go it. They didnt complain. The British got it. They didnt complain. The palestinians have no claim.

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Germany owes Jewish people to give them land, for them to relocate.
It doesn't seem like a likely scenrio, but I say this, because weapons are becoming more and more sophisticated - and this is bad for Israel.
Germany repaid its debt by paying back Israeli Jews in billions of reparations. Furthermore, 99% of holocaust Jews werent from Germany.

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Oil money can buy these sophisticated weapons for Arabian nations and Iran - and they will be harder to push back. Indeed there exists a bomb that can wipe out Israel off the map, in a single push of button. I am not saying Iran already has them, but nuclear bombs can be bought in the black market for mere millions.
The Arabian nations wont go to war with israel.

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There is no defence against such an attach.
The Arabs have nothing that can threaten Israel. They've actually slowly become friendlier over time.

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Germany should come to Israel's aid, and offer them land.
Germany did what it had to. They have no obbligation to give Israel land 60 years after the war.

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When an American suggested it to Mr. Sharon, he was at first surprised by it, but then he seemed to warm to the idea, if the conditions were satisfactory.
I doubt this is true.

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I know this sounds far-fetched and too grandiose in scope, but it will diffuse that hot region, and we would have made that region more conducive
to peace once and for all.
Exactly, it is far-fetched and too grandiose in scope. It wont work and its a bad idea. No one would do it. Also, the Arabs dont deserve Israel.

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I don't say this in the same spirit as the Iranian president who says similar thing - this idea was suggested years before he said it - by well meaning Americans who wanted to help diffuse the tension in that region.
Well-meaning people rarely result in proper solutions.

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If you want to be a peace maker, we need to stop this constant almost habitual "hate" for theother group, and take a hard look at our-selves, to see if we are really fair to all the parties concern... and I think some will agree that we have made a mistake with the formation of Israel... and the Arabs do have legitimate reasons for grievances...
We are fare. If the Arabs stop attacking Israel, Israel will stop attacking the Arabs. Mistake or no mistake, it happened. Deal.

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Not a pleasant thing to have to admit, especially since we, US, too have tasted the bitter fruits of Bin Laden, but perhaps this will lead to a better future - both sides taking a hard lookat themselves, and admitting mistakes, and understanding theother side's grievances, rather than continuing forward with "we are good, they are bad" concept forever in an escalating violent fashion.
Why should the Arabs get everything they want the Israelies not. Why should the Arabs, who are a bunch of lazy bums, obtain all that the Jews have worked for in israel.
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Default Politically incorrect

Calling some group "lazy bums" is politically incorrect.
It's this kind of generalization that fuels fights, and prevents feeling of good will which is necessary to a peaceful solution to this problem.

Where ever you are from, would you consider it fair if some nations decided to throw you out of the land you are living in, to establish a different nation in it? In all honesty, would you like it?

I am absolutely sure that an American did suggest the relocation suggestion to Mr. Sharon, because I know him personally - he was an advisor to Democratic party.

Anyway, I knew this would be met with this kind of response, but it is an attempt to look at our actions, to see if we had not been unfair, instead of blaming the other guys all the time - which will lead no where to peace.

I lived in Bloomington Indiana which is home to Indiana University,
where many foreign students from Arab countries were studying, and believe me, they were not "lazy bums!"

In fact, they were quite gentlemanly and hard working people. You would have liked them if you had met them.

You say that non of the Arab nations would attach Israel - have you heard what Iran (although not a part of Arab nations technically) is up to lately?
They have purchased 1 billion of high tech military technology from soviets - some of it considered the best in the world !

Also, sophisticated chemical, biological, and nuclear WMD can be bought on black market for mere millions. The escalation of sophisticated weapons that can be purchased with oil money is a bad news for Israel - there simply is no satisfying defense for them.

As the weapons become more sophisticated, the scale is tipping over to the Arab nations more and more.

Mr. Sharon was doing the right thing by trying to make peace with Palestine. Hopefully this will continue - who ever takes power over there.
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I know the leader of Iran is evil....but is he really that stupid?

If he does anything close to that, it would be Iran's last move. It would be suicide. But then, that's the M.O. of those nuts. So, who knows?
Pretty much sums it up I think. I would be very surprised if they aren't getting ready, but it doesn't mean that they will invade very soon. Should be interesting to see what happens next.
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IF they are allowed.. and it is "allowed".. to acquire nuclear weapons.

Can the destruction of their regime be enough to stop them from destroying the zionist state?

Thats a coin flip thats not worth the risk of becoming a reality.
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....i'm pissed....alright? .....we don't want to live in germany!! germany owes us lives,not ground........the whole point of a jewish state was not living in christian area,depending on christians not to hate us.......plus,YOU DIDN'T FORM THE JEWISH STATE,WE DID!.....if it weren't for us,rebeeling against the british secretly,and fighting against the arab openly....i know the christians mean no harm,by saying "we gave them a state" but that's very offensive.....all the UN ever did,was to decide,that if a jewish state will be formed,the british shouldn't oppose it....so what the UN also decide,was to let the british leave and not interfearing in what's going to happend.i mean,did you ever send us one bullet,not ot talk about supplies,guns or tanks.........while we were invaded by 4 diffrent arab countries,you did nothing.....not to offend,but the israelis are very proud for the fact, that we survived alone back then....we had jerusalem barricaded by jordans,egyptians trying to reach tel aviv,syrian tanks held back by molotov cocktails,and lebananese making a false attempt to invade in the north......while the west did nothing to help us.......maybe 5 czech messerschmidt from ww2...plus 15 tanks from ww1........that's not called given a gift,that's called earning a coutry.
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Ever since the genocide of the Canaanites thousands of years ago, this place we ironically refer to as "the holy land" has been the largest source of unholy war and division of the human race. I'd like nothing more than to evacuate every living creature from that area and nuke it to the point that no one can live there for thousands of years. The "holy land" provides support to the arguments of militant atheists that religion is a pox on humanity. The entire conflict reflects badly on the human race and would surely convince any passing aliens that we should be annhilated before we can colonize space.
Between the scumbags like the pres of Iran, the Palestinian suicide bombers, the Israelis who assassinate their own leaders to stop peaceful settlement, the American Christians that spout all kinds of rhetoric because they think the end of the world is coming and that little cursed spot on the map is somehow important to it in the eyes of an invisible an omnipotent force, I don't think Israel has done anything good for anyone ever! I'm sure the Canaanites wished they never settled there.
The new Israel was created to keep a Holocaust from happening again. Ironically we took Jews from places that began to gain sympathy for them after the Holocaust and placed them in an area full of people that want to destroy them!
Now I guess it's for the best that we stick by our allies and give Iran what-for if they continue to threaten our ally. I have nothing against the people in Israel and don't wish to see them destroyed by a psychotic theocrat.
But I hate that unholy land, the source of so much human hypocrisy, the most compelling argument of the hopelessness of the human condition, that wretched place that has been such a waste of all human effort and resources for thousands of years, that relic of an age of warring tyrants, that place that makes me proud not to belong to any Abrahamic religion, that enemy to global society, that perpetuator of superstition in foreign policy...
It's not going to end till we understand that there's nothing holy about a speck of land.
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is the "crossroads of three religions" I pretty much know how the story ends. Lots of folks are about to die. I do think, however, that if we didn't have religion to kill one another over we would just pick something else.
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