Originally Posted by ashleykennedy

Jewish charity to Jews. The Jerusalem Yeshiva have always had a begging bowl out. Ever since the main leaders of the Jewish faith moved out to Egypt the Jerusalem enclave has had to rely upon charity.

I am an atheist an do not think that any religion is conducive to peace. Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Hindi, Sikhism, or any other religion is for the neurotic. I have great pleasure in not being a person of the book nor do i wish to be entered into any part of it. I am one that despises all religions. All four monotheisms that have come out of the desert have been nihilistic.

Originally Posted by concheet

Poverty as part of renouncing the world is a common theme in Jainism, Buddhism, Hinduism and Christianity. As Jesus put it in Matthew 19:21 Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. 24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
Begging as a means of allowing the religious/spiritual to live a religious/spiritual life is a time-honored tradition among many religions. No one requires anyone to give to the Buddhist monk or other monastic. It is a voluntary thing. Jews have always helped struggling Jews. That is one of the things that the religious community does. I really can't see your problem with this. Indeed, as I said, it is high time the Muslims provided the bulk of charity for their Muslim 'brothers' in Palestine.

Originally Posted by concheet

Those desert religions didn't spawn anywhere near as many murders as have atheistic power mongers like Stalin. Hitler in truth was an atheist as well, though he pretended to religion in order to influence the religious. The Roman Emperors and others wanted nothing to do with the desert religions either. They were Gods to themselves. Not being affiliated with a religion doesn't make you one iota better or brighter than someone who is. I can assure you that religion doesn't have a monopoly on neurotics, and being an atheist doesn't mean you aren't one.

Originally Posted by concheet

If you despise the desert religions because they are nihilistic, why is it that you seem to accept the idea of Islamic dominance over countries that support freedom of religion, such as in Israel...? Why would you be willing to enslave so many people, as the poor people of Iran are, for example, by not speaking out against the repressive Islamic regimes in the middle east?

Originally Posted by hasbaratoo

pogroms of the Palestinians Ashley?? let us once again define "pogrom" so that ashley can then list the pogroms of the Palestinians at the hands of the Israelis.

po·grom (p-grm, pgrm)
n.
An organized, often officially encouraged massacre or persecution of a minority group, especially one conducted against Jews.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/pogrom

fools like Ashley use massacre, ethnic cleansing, collective punishment, genocide, etc to hyperventilate their anti-Semitism.

one nitwit, Ashley, succeeded in comparing the Warsaw ghetto to the Gaza Ghetto!!?? remarkable racist ignorance.

Originally Posted by concheet

Poverty as part of renouncing the world is a common theme in Jainism, Buddhism, Hinduism and Christianity. As Jesus put it in Matthew 19:21 Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. 24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
Begging as a means of allowing the religious/spiritual to live a religious/spiritual life is a time-honored tradition among many religions. No one requires anyone to give to the Buddhist monk or other monastic. It is a voluntary thing. Jews have always helped struggling Jews. That is one of the things that the religious community does. I really can't see your problem with this. Indeed, as I said, it is high time the Muslims provided the bulk of charity for their Muslim 'brothers' in Palestine.

Those desert religions didn't spawn anywhere near as many murders as have atheistic power mongers like Stalin. Hitler in truth was an atheist as well, though he pretended to religion in order to influence the religious. The Roman Emperors and others wanted nothing to do with the desert religions either. They were Gods to themselves. Not being affiliated with a religion doesn't make you one iota better or brighter than someone who is. I can assure you that religion doesn't have a monopoly on neurotics, and being an atheist doesn't mean you aren't one.

If you despise the desert religions because they are nihilistic, why is it that you seem to accept the idea of Islamic dominance over countries that support freedom of religion, such as in Israel...? Why would you be willing to enslave so many people, as the poor people of Iran are, for example, by not speaking out against the repressive Islamic regimes in the middle east?

Originally Posted by concheet

blah blah blah...

Each time you post something that is not your own you add a source. Not in previous posts but in the post that you are using. It isn't hard, Hasbara. Just watch hasbaratoo and Hasbara1 for a hint. You can do it. One list.....one source. Another list .....another source. A quote, a source. What's not to understand??

Originally Posted by ashleykennedy

Wow po·grom (p-grm, pgrm)
n.
An organized, often officially encouraged massacre or persecution of a minority group, especially one conducted against Jews.

But I do note it does not say exclusively to Jews. Now whys that?

Because a pogrom can be carried out against any ethnic group.



http://www.chambersharrap.co.uk/cham...rom&title=21st

again originally but still no exclusive rights



http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/pogrom?view=uk

still no exclusivity.

so now there you have it pogrom can apply to any ethnic group.

1947

1948

1949

1950

and as you define a massacre as small as 5 deaths

Nebi Musa Riotsften describes by Israelophiles as a massacre:-



We can now add all dates or events that had greater than 5 deaths.

December 1947 two villages in the central plain -- Deir Ayyub (Final ethnic cleansing by the Giv'ati and Sheva' (Seventh) brigades on March 6, 1948 renamed Mevo Choron) and Beit Affa (Final ethnic cleansing Operation Barak (lightening) Giv'ati Brigade's Second Battalion January 10, 194 -- were raided, and their panicked Palestinian inhabitants fled. Jewish leaders gave the order to drive out as many Palestinians as possible on March 10, 1948. The terror campaign ended six months later.

http://www.palestineremembered.com/al-Ramla/Dayr-Ayyub/

http://www.palestineremembered.com/G...ffa/index.html

December 12 Bus bombings in Haifa and Ramla, by Jewish Militias

December 12, al-Tira an Irgun operation. Terrorist raid by Irgun Zvai Leumi (IZL) raided the village of al-Tira in which there were 13 killed and 10 wounded villagers.
http://www.palestineremembered.com/Haifa/al-Tira/


December 13,1947. Zionist terrorists, believed to be members of Irgun Zvai Leumi, killed 18 Arabs and wounded nearly 60 in Jerusalem, Jaffa and Lydda areas. In Jerusalem, bombs were thrown in an Arab market-place near the Damascus Gate; in Jaffa, bombs were thrown into an Arab cafe; in the Arab village of Al Abbasya, near Lydda, 12 Arabs were killed in an attack with mortars and automatic weapons.

13 December 1947: Irgun also burns down 100 Arab homes in Jaffa


December 18, al-Khisas a Palmach operation. took place in al-Khisas near to the Syrian border and was carried out by Haganah militants, possibly from Palmach. Palmach claim it was in retaliation for casualties suffered in Safad and for the murder of a Jewish citizen by an Arab citizen near al-Khisas. Ten Palestinians were killed, five of them children. Five were wounded.

December 30, Haifa Oil Refinery Irgun attack on Palestinian labourers waiting at the Haifa oil refinery gate. Grenade thrown into crowd of Arab Dock workers exploded killing 6 workers and wounding 42 Arab workers.

January 1 1948, Balad al-Shaykh Haganah operation.The Haganah massively retaliated on the night of 31 December 1947 - 1 January 1948 raiding the villages of Balad al Sheikh and Hawassa, in which many of the refinery's workers lived. The raiding unit's orders were to 'kill maximum adult males'. The raiders penetrated to the centre of Balad al Sheikh, fired into and blew up houses, and pulled out adult males, and shot them. According to the HGS, 'the penetrating units... were forced to deviate from the line agreed upon and in a few cases hit women and children' after being fired upon from inside houses. The Haganah suffered two dead and two injured. Haganah reports put Arab casualties variously at 'about 70 killed', and 21 killed ('including two women and five children') and 41 injured.

Benny Morris “The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee problem Revisited” Cambridge University Press 2004 ISBN 0-512-00967-7 , p. 101

February 14 1948, Sa'sa' village ambush in the Safad district Palmach operation. On February 15, 1948, a Palmach force entered the village during the night and, without resistance, planted explosives against some of the houses. Ten or more houses were totally or partially destroyed and 11 villagers were killed (5 of them small children). According to the official history of the Haganah, the village had been used as a base for Arab fighters.

March 30th to 15th May 1948. The Coastal “clearing” operation undertaken by Haganah, expelling Palestinians from the coastal plain between Haifa and Jaffa.

March 31 1948, Cairo-Haifa train bombing Lehi operation.

Originally Posted by klipkap

So tell me - is there agreement by the democratic forces on this forum as to what is more important?:

1) Is it what the non-voting authors on UNSC 242 said they meant when they drafted the resolutions? ...