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Old 05-01-2008, 09:33 PM
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The real crimes are the palestinian civilians that were and are being slaughtered by the Isreali IDF (which is funded by the USA).

The theft of land is a legal crime in itself - especially AFTER 1967 where there are countless UN resolutions intructing Isreal to vacate the occupied territories.

And of course the US continues to veto these resolutions (except for UN security council resolution 242 immediately after the 1967 conflict - WHICH Israel has ignored outright ever since)


The Palestinian problem is an international disgrace WHICH has been caused by Israel and supported democratically and militarily by the USA.

It wont last though!

Times are changing and time is running out for the fascist regime in Tel-Aviv and the militancy of Washington's foreign policy (not just in the middle east but in almost every corner of the globe)
LOL Foolo!

Foolosophy indeed and idiotic slander.
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So tell me - is there agreement by the democratic forces on this forum as to what is more important?:

1) Is it what the non-voting authors on UNSC 242 said they meant when they drafted the resolutions? ...

.... or ....

2) Is it what the majority of voting members said they understood from the documented text when they actually voted on the resolution?

Because if there isn't, then the planet has spent a monstrous amount of nervous energy, taxpayer's money, Middle East blood (Jews and Palestinians), and jeopardy of world peace to find out that the supposedly clear principle of voting, a critical underpinning of the democratic process, is in fact totally irrelevant.

If this is so, can I request a time-out so that I may say a last-ditch prayer for our planet.
I would suggest you familiarize yourself with a little liberal concept called "tyranny of the majority". I might suggest you seek to understand one very common logical fallacy -- a fallacy called "argumentum ad populum".

Just because a majority of people can express an opinion, such opinions are not necessarily valid. It is quite true that representatives of various non democratic states have enough muscle to seek to punish Jews wherever they can, but why you would place such unquestioning trust in such representatives is anybody's guess. The fact you do not even consider the source is quite evident, but for anybody else reading this thread, I might ask them to do so.

Certainly, the Libyas, Irans, Cubas and Venezuelas of the world have political clout within the auspices of the U.N., but why defer to their opinion on ANY subject without so much as a singe question as to what they seek to accomplish?
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Old 05-02-2008, 06:43 AM
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LOL Foolo!

Foolosophy indeed and idiotic slander.
And remember beletersi, the UN charter does not recognise the capturing of territory or land via the use of violence or force.

Its irrelevant who started the 1967 war.
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And remember beletersi, the UN charter does not recognise the capturing of territory or land via the use of violence or force.

Its irrelevant who started the 1967 war.
The UN is irrelevant it is just a waste of good realestate with a great river view.
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palestinians should just stop their whining. most palestinians are against attacks on israel because many work in israel and every time theres an attack theyre not allowed to work there anymore.

and as for the whole "stealing of land" crap, they got it by buying it from the families that woned the land and had the palestinians stay uneducated so they would be cheap labor. it was like a serf and vassal system..
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The USA is slowly becoming irrelevant.

The USA is dying a slow death.

Noone wished to invest in her anymore/

Nobody trusts her anymore

And above all Nobody even likes her anymore.

And the USA economy is about to nose dive even further.

What a shame - the USA had so much promise - after WW2 the world DID actually look up to the USA - the land of freedom and liberty. An inspiration.


Look now my friends!

And everybody is armed too - wait till the (*)(*)(*)(*) hits the fan in the US.

Maybe Washington can call on the UN for assistance hey?
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So Foolo is 100% WRONG about Resolution 242 and has NO answer - and his other baseless charges of 'slaughter' by the IDF.
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I would suggest you familiarize yourself with a little liberal concept called "tyranny of the majority". I might suggest you seek to understand one very common logical fallacy -- a fallacy called "argumentum ad populum".

Just because a majority of people can express an opinion, such opinions are not necessarily valid. It is quite true that representatives of various non democratic states have enough muscle to seek to punish Jews wherever they can, but why you would place such unquestioning trust in such representatives is anybody's guess. The fact you do not even consider the source is quite evident, but for anybody else reading this thread, I might ask them to do so.

Certainly, the Libyas, Irans, Cubas and Venezuelas of the world have political clout within the auspices of the U.N., but why defer to their opinion on ANY subject without so much as a singe question as to what they seek to accomplish?
Lemme try to explain this for you, Lackluster. Those country representatives in the Security Council of the United Nations were NOT a minority. They were not some street corner rabble giving their personal opinions. They were part of a legally instituted body that the US has sworn to respect and to abide by its decisions. They were a clear majority of the most important council of the largest forum for international consensus on the planet. Now, if what you are in fact trying to say, is that the decisions of the SC of the UN are irrelevant to the US, then you must first explain why the US was so two-faced as to be a founder member and to vote to uphold the UN principals.

You ask why I place such trust in the UN and its SC. I think that is obvious, but let me say it anyway - because it is the best forum for international debate, consensus and sanction. I know that it must be a bitter pill for the US to swallow when the vast majority of world opinion turns against it. It is like the schoolyard bully being challenged by the rest of the boys. He must hate it!! But that does not mean that the bully is right, reasoned, logical, correct or that he holds the moral high-ground.

Remember freedom fries and the rest of the throwing of toys out the buggy? France DARED to even suggest a veto agains the US. Naturally, it doesnt matter that the US has vetoed France more than 80 times.

So UNSC resolution 242 is not a case of a minority going against the reasoned wishes of the majority. If you believe that to be the case, Lackluster, then I presume that it is because you didn't like the results, and therefore the process is invalid. You just MUST be from the USA.
Now, why to defer to the opinion of those members of the Security Council at the time of UNSC 242 - because the US signed a document saying that it would. Unless you suggest that Uncle Sam's word is worth zip. But then, you may have a point there.

Oh, and finally, may I point out that the US was a member of the Security Council, and voted in favour of 242.
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palestinians should just stop their whining. most palestinians are against attacks on israel because many work in israel and every time theres an attack theyre not allowed to work there anymore.

and as for the whole "stealing of land" crap, they got it by buying it from the families that woned the land and had the palestinians stay uneducated so they would be cheap labor. it was like a serf and vassal system..
You can't buy country sovereignity by buying real estate, otherwise I could claim the kingdom of Klipkap on my plot of ground. I am amazed that this is even offered as a justification.

In addition, even though not a valid route to statehood, how much of the current Israel was actually bought from previous owners, Beachbum. You say "they got it" - implying 100%. Are you sure of this?
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The UN is irrelevant it is just a waste of good realestate with a great river view.
(Laughs) That is exactly the type of thing that the school bully says when the vast majority of the pupils disagree with him. Sort of like what President Mugabe is now trying to say.
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