1) The Zionists never took anything from anyone. They bought the land legally and were therefore entitled to form a new country.

I for one will recognise freely that the vast bulk of the land was bought legally. My problem starts with " ... and were therefore ..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_National_Fund

http://unispal.un.org/unispal.nsf/0/...1?OpenDocument

The JNF is used to appropriate Palestinian land and disperse it to Jewish ownership/control as it is a NGO its accounting is questionable. It was through the offices of the JNF that the harvesting of crops on Palestinian Land in 1948 was carried out and the settlement of Palestinian village sites after being razed by the IDF.

Thanks Ashley. Makes your bile rise, doesn't it. If it happened to my home, I would become violent.

Then again I suppose that is exactly how the Palestinians felt and still feel.

Having reread my post, I should clarify that I meant that the vast bulk of the land that they (the settlers) had bought was acquired legally, not of course that they had bought the vast bulk of what later became Israel. In fact by 1948 the settlers and the JNF had bought only a miniscule proportion of the territory that they declared to be independent in 1948. I am not surprised the Arabs tried to take it back. Wouldn't you?

But that is not the Myth, which instead is that if you own some real estate it means you are entitled to control the soveriegnty or statehood of that ground. And this is the argument so often used in Zionist propoganda, and seen to be a "truth" by some on this forum.

I mean imagine if the Amish in Holmes County, Ohio declared their real estate to be an independent country. So why should legal acquisition of real estate by Zionists mean that "they were therefore entitled to form a new country"?

klipkap Myth # 1:
"Zionists;" Israelis; Jews; Arabs; or anyone else is "entitled" to anything.
Humans generally create their own lives.
The world doesn't "owe you" a thing.
There is no "Zionist entitlement."
Never was; never will be.
Just as there is no Arab entitlement to "the land." Never was. Never will be.
If the Arabs want land and a country, they gonna have to make one, just like everybody else....

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"There is no way this winter is ever going to end as long as that groundhog keeps seeing his shadow.... He's got to be stopped. And I have to stop him."

Indeed this has proved to be a thin thread. And I am not surprised.

The peripheral "proof" for Israel not having displaced Palestinians at its creation, because land had been bought by the Zionist settlers and therefore was not Palestinian, is so silly that I never ceased to be amazed that it is offered on so many Zionist web sites - granted the less sophisticated ones, and is a favourite mantra on some of the more emotional discussion forums.

# The Zionsists bought only a minute fraction of the ground that currently constitutes Israel, but far more importantly ....
# No-one with even marginal education accepts that owning real estate gives rights to soveignty and nationhood.

With no offers to the contrary, I believe that Myth 1 can be firmly assigned to the trash heap.

Very good.
I would humbly suggest that all of your myths could be assigned to the trash heap.
But, hey. You make 'em up. You discuss 'em. Whatever pushes your buttons.
I'm glad that at least in this "Myth #1" you have understood that no one is "entitled" to anything.

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"There is no way this winter is ever going to end as long as that groundhog keeps seeing his shadow.... He's got to be stopped. And I have to stop him."

No it's the anti Palestinian cabal that make them up we just shoot them down?

But you are right they are so fanciful that these Myths do belong on the rubbish heap.

Hang on, then why do the anti-Palestinian lobby always bring them up.

I must remember to quote you when the anti-palestinian cabal do.

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Thats remarable Moishe3rd, that is exactly what Klipkap and I both say. But the anti palestinian cabal still persist in using them. Both Klipkap and myself have both shown the anti-Palestinian cabal how untenable their position is. Maybe you should tell them aswell?

Why don't Israeli maps show the "Green Line", because Israel have never recognised their own border.

Expansionist policies always bring trouble, so Israel should not complain when trouble comes calling.