This is a strange one, and I freely admit it. At first glance it might seem to be trivial, but it does give an illuminating insight into the Zionist psyche via the evidence that is provided to demonstate the continued terrorism in Israel.

Many of the Zionist web sites provide a thesis something along the lines of: "Israel has been subjected to terrorist attacks ever since its creation in 1948 (or various other periods). Lists of fatalities in Israel prove this." Examples are:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...orAttacks.html
http://www.adl.org/israel/israel_attacks.asp
http://lindasog.com/public/terrorvictims.htm
http://www1.idf.il/DOVER/site/mainpa...docid=30286.EN
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...m/victims.html
http://pages.prodigy.net/wrjohnston/...israelsum.html
http://israelsmessiah.com/israel_tod...ims_list_1.htm

They often reference a list of fatalities on the the Israeli Defence Force web site. And the Myth is that these fatalities are hard proof of the continued attacks of terrorism in Israel over the years.

Okay.
You win on this one.
I do not believe that lists of fatalities prove terrorism...
(Well, okay, we could be done now, but, I'm such an obstreperous person...)

I contend that ceaseless attacks:
- on any person, regardless of nationality, ethnicity, or religion;
- in any country or place, inside or outside of Israel;
- on specifically non-military houses, buildings, schools, ecetera, and people;
- specifically at random, changing targets from individuals to groups of people, in every location, from airports to buses to seaside resorts to nightclubs to trains to anywhere;
- All in the Name of the destruction of Israel,
Do indeed, prove that ""Israel has been subjected to terrorist attacks ever since its creation in 1948 (or various other periods)"

I find it rather odd that you would contend that point.
By your tying it to "fatality lists," you appear to be stating that Israel has not been subjected to terrorist attacks ever since its creation in 1948, or before...
Do you actually believe this?

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No Moishe, of course I don't dispute that Israel has suffered ongoing terrorism, especially since the '80's. And unfortunately for the civilians, it is unlikely to abate. And I do not ignore this tragic fact. But we are told about this every day. What Fox News does not explain to us is the hidden myth.

Take the Anti-Defamation League web site. Title : Major Terrorist Attacks in Israel. Quotes examples: Betar Illit - in fact in the West Bank; Kedumim - in northern West Bank; Tulkarm - a Palestinian city in the West Bank, etc, etc.

Take the Zionist favourite web site - the Jewish Virtual Library. Title - Fatal Terrorist Attacks in Israel .... seriously, I am not weaseling or inventing. Examples: A Jewish settlement in the Gaza strip (seriously - no attempt to camouflage it - this is in Israel); Ramallah, Gaza strip, Gaza strip, Hebron, West Bank, Nablus, Jericho, West Bank, Gaza, Hebron, West Bank, Nablus, Nablus, it goes on and on like this.

According to the Zionists, these are all in Israel!!! - I would laugh if it weren't so tragic. Of course they are NOT in Israel. These are attacks in the Occupied Territories against the OCCUPIERS. So why do the Zionists call them terrorist attacks?

Answer: by the Zionist definition, which, as I said earlier, goes to explain many of the apparent anomalies that Ashley and I see, we are of course mistaken. All of this is Israel. Oy vey!! - no wonder peace doesn't stand a snowball's hope in hell.

So, it is the hidden myth that is so illuminating. It is the myth that all attacks, even in the occupied territories, are terrorist attacks. For me this demonstrates the REAL intention of the Zionists, long ago espoused by Menachim Begin and particularly by the more radical of the revisionist Zionists. The Occupied Territories were never seen by them as being Palestinian. They belong to Israel, and only the United Nations stands in the way of this becoming full reality. How biased of the UN!!! It is redundant!!

Ah. Okay.
You do not consider attacks against Jews located in areas the Arabs called Palestinians consider "their territory," as terrorist attacks.
But, I can only assume that you differentiate attacks withing the "territory" called Israel that the Arabs called Palestinians also consider "their territory" as being something akin to terrorist attacks?
Or, are they also not terrorist attacks?
Are the other attacks I mentioned above, in the Name of the destruction of Israel terrorist attacks?

If indeed, you believe that all attacks except for those areas you mentioned are, indeed, terrorist attacks, fine.
What the heck do I care?
Those attacks inside areas the A's called P's consider theirs are not terrorist attacks. They are rebellion, or military strikes, or whatever you want to call them.
And.... ?

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Moishe3rd would you consider the celebrated Warsaw uprising an act of Terrorists?

I know that I don't.

I use the same principles of logic and morality on the acts of Palestinians.

Double post.

Having a "War on Terror" has been used as a cover for State terrorism since the year dot. Calling it MacCarthyism or witch hunts it all the same.

The Israeli Government has used the term terrorist to add schools and other public infrastructure to the list of "Legitimate" targets by the expediency of declaring them part of Hamas. Now the IOF think that shooting children in school is legitimate.

Disputed or occupied the attacks are basically against the Jewish population of Israel. "Terrorist" attacks are generally against the civilian population. Whatever the status of the land. In the US we have so-called 'illegal aliens' living here but that does not give our citizens the right to go bomb their families whenever they get the opportunity. No one would think of bombing gringo communities in Mexico, even though some gringos have lived there much if not all of their lives....

Against jews in Palestine not Israel. They may have an Israeli passport but they are squatters on someone else's property, that makes them armed squatters in Palestine. If the armed squatters wish to take their families into an armed conflict as human shields then they should expect a bit of collateral damage.

The two differences between gringos in Mexico and Jewish squatters in Palestine is firstly that the gringos have bought the land or rent it from the rightful owners and the Jewish squatters in Palestine haven't and secondly the gringos aren't murdering the Mexicans while the Jewish Squatters in Palestine are murdering Palestinians.

ashley: are you contending that the fatalities are a myth. and therefore the use of these attacks are a myth fo terrorism attacks in israel over the years?

the jewish "jewishvirtuallibrary" libraries presents its list of terror attacks. since it was you who contended the myth, then support your contention. which are, are not terror attacks and why not. since your argument was universal you need to explain why each and every one was not a terror attack.

but perhaps we need to have a working definition of "terror" otherwise ashey we are working in the land of the "ipsative", ie the self defining the self. perhaps ashley would like to get into that conundrum? if so ashley is tardey in getting a consensus on the lexicon of terrorism, thus either retarded or bigoted.

if ashley wishes to work with "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter then ashley doesn't have an argument with how the jews define terrorist because if ashkey can decide who is/isn't a terrorist so can anyone else.

for example ashley, is the following a terrorist attack:

July 12, 2005 Netanya 5 killed, 70+ wounded Islamic Jihad Suicide bombing outside shopping mall.

example from the jewishvirtuallibrary