Thread: The Life of Muhammad

Originally Posted by Tyrerik

Well you couldn't be more wrong, I'm happy to hear of positive community relations. However it does seem strange that your Christian friends have little interest for relations between their fellow Christians and their Muslim neighbours in another part of the country. The reality is that such ethnic/religious conflict can ignite and spread rapidly within a country especially in uneasy post revolutionary times.

My Christian and Muslim friends in Ramallah told me that for years and years they got along... They were neighbors and all the kids played together.

Don't know about now as I have lost track.

Originally Posted by Tyrerik

Ok so your anaology was essentially incorrect in that respect.

No, that was the third of three theories and I tend to believe in the first and that your Christian ancestors at the time had little idea about the stones being pagan, not that they weren't intolerant of other beliefs, pagan or otherwise.

Señor, yo no sé , for now I'm more inclined to go along with our present day "keepers of the stones " the Druids - who I suspect know much more abt the subject than you or I.
A small group of abt a dozen or two , gather there seasonally to celebrate their ceremonies, Sorry, there are no chickens or blood sacrifices.

cheers.

Originally Posted by Margot

My Christian and Muslim friends in Ramallah told me that for years and years they got along... They were neighbors and all the kids played together.

Don't know about now as I have lost track.

Margot , while I've of course several Muslims , but most who've remain in contact + become friends , are Christians., while one said he didnt feel comfortable with muslims, the rest was more positive in their attitudes by mixing socially with muslims.

see :

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QHzuYcuIQY"]‪Christians in Palestine‬‏ - YouTube[/ame]


cheers.

Originally Posted by Marlowe

Señor, yo no sé , for now I'm more inclined to go along with our present day "keepers of the stones " the Druids - who I suspect know much more abt the subject than you or I.
A small group of abt a dozen or two , gather there seasonally to celebrate their ceremonies, Sorry, there are no chickens or blood sacrifices.

cheers.

Religious folk usually make poor historians when it comes to their own religion. I can believe Christian clergy connected them with paganism but the people doing the work would have been unlikely to use the stones as building material if they had believed it was of Pagan origin. That was a couple of centuries ago, with earlier destruction in the 14th century the stones were buried and most likely believed to have been erected by the devil or mythical giants and not humans, pagan or otherwise. I say this because it is a common notion with other grand prehistoric works and odd naturally occurring geological formations.

Btw. I was invited to a birthday by a druid couple on the arrival of their baby. I gratiously declined staying for dinner though when I realised it wasn't a cake with candles but roasted afterbirth being served!

Originally Posted by Tyrerik

OK so now its boiled down to Mohammed being born into an Arabian world of both monotheism and polytheism and yet stating that the Arabia Muhammad was born into was a world of tribal loyalties and polytheistic religion is not misleading. I find that contradictory.

i don't find it contradicting. it all depends on the point of view! so it can be described by both phrased without being misleading

Originally Posted by FreeBahrain

i don't find it contradicting. it all depends on the point of view! so it can be described by both phrased without being misleading

How about saying he was born into a montheist world then, would that be an ok point of view and not contradict the other two statements?

Originally Posted by Tyrerik

How about saying he was born into a montheist world then, would that be an ok point of view and not contradict the other two statements?

i don't think it is contradicting statement, though, i don't see it as valid point of view, or i can't see how it can describe the picture of the time

Tyrerik , I know this is Off-Topic , however if you've no objection and sufficiently interested , I'll continue . (wink)

Originally Posted by Tyrerik

A- Religious folk usually make poor historians when it comes to their own religion.

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First of all, the term Druid , applies toe Celtic priests , not the followers - A druid was a member of the priestly class in Britain, Ireland, and Gaul, and possibly other parts of Celtic western Europe, during the Iron Age. Very little is currently known about the ancient druids as they left no written accounts about themselves



Btw. I was invited to a birthday by a druid couple on the arrival of their baby. I gratiously declined staying for dinner though when I realised it wasn't a cake with candles but roasted afterbirth being served!

I'll just ignore that BS abt roasted afterbirth - I DO NOT believe you I'm afraid on the subject of Pre-christian Celtic beliefs far too many so-called " christians " have proved to be dishonest + diabolical liars.


. If as you surmise 14th Century stones were "buried " then our archaeologists would have found it, large stones DO NOT DISAPPEAR . The stones were all still in situ during Roman times ,
Some stones were later cut up and used . ..


The modern English word druid derives from the Latin druides , , which itself was considered by ancient Roman writers to come from the native Celtic Gaulish word for Priests ,


From the 18th century, England and Wales experienced a revival of interest in the druids. John Aubrey (1626–1697) had been the first modern writer to connect Stonehenge and other megalithic monuments with the druids'

There's a prodigious amount of rubbish has been written about druidism"; Neo-druidism has nevertheless continued to shape public perceptions of the historical druids. The British Museum is blunt:

Modern Druids(Neo-Druids) have no direct connection to the Druids of the Iron Age. Many of our popular ideas about the Druids are based on the misunderstandings and misconceptions of scholars 200 years ago. These ideas have been superseded by later study and discoveries.

MORE to chew on :

".Avebury's Destruction


For over a thousand years the Avebury earthwork lay forgotten and fell into disrepair. During the time of the Roman occupation of Britain the circles were virtually complete but were extremely overgrown. It was during the 6th Century AD that the Saxons began to build their homes inside the circle. They called it Weala-dic meaning 'Ditch of the Britons'

and in the 10th Century they built a church just outside the Pagan temple.


Finally, in the 13th Century the Christian church, having established itself, decided that the Pagan symbols on their doorstep were no longer tolerable and decreed that every single stone of the monument had to be torn down and destroyed.

However, the people of Avebury did not actually destroy the stones, but rather buried them, which ironically saved the monument until they could be excavated.


The removal and toppling of the stones eventually ended after a tragic accident took place. A barber-surgeon was helping to topple a stone when he slipped at the exact moment that the stone fell. He was fatally trapped under the stone. He lay for 600 years in the grave he helped to make. In modern times the stone was lifted and his body was discovered along with various implements which identified him as a barber. Today the stone has been restored to its former place and has been named the Barber's Stone, standing in the southwest circle.

During the second half of the 17th Century the clearance of the area began, so that the land could be cultivated. It was at this stage that some of the sarsens were physically destroyed, by being broken into pieces. A special technique had to be devised because.......................

READ MORE .. BBC Guide

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A1150381


cheers.

I hope after watch the 3rd episode, we can return ON TOPIC - Life of Muhammed.


Cheers.




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Originally Posted by FreeBahrain

i don't think it is contradicting statement, though, i don't see it as valid point of view, or i can't see how it can describe the picture of the time

OK so you find no contradiction in the two statements:

Mohammed was born into a polytheist world.

and

Mohammed was born into a monotheist world.

Which makes no sense to me.

Originally Posted by Marlowe

Tyrerik , I know this is Off-Topic , however if you've no objection and sufficiently interested , I'll continue . (wink)


I'll just ignore that BS abt roasted afterbirth - I DO NOT believe you I'm afraid on the subject of Pre-christian Celtic beliefs far too many so-called " christians " have proved to be dishonest + diabolical liars.


. If as you surmise 14th Century stones were "buried " then our archaeologists would have found it, large stones DO NOT DISAPPEAR . The stones were all still in situ during Roman times ,
Some stones were later cut up and used . ..


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Not quite sure what to make of your post. What exactly don’t you believe? I never made any pretence of knowing about pre-christian Celtic beliefs and I am not a Christian of any kind, so-called or otherwise. The couple I mentioned were known locally as Druids but I don’t know whether they considered themselves priests or not or actually Druids or not come to think of it, although they didn’t seem to mind being called Druids. Strictly speaking I don’t even know whether eating afterbirth was part of them being Druids or not. It was while I was living for a brief time in south Wales where there were all kinds of different “new age” people.

Your own post mentions stones being buried – one on top of a barber so I don’t know why you should think they haven’t been found?

Btw I’ve been to Avebury, Stone Henge and climbed Silbury Hill so I have had something to chew on already thank you.