Now Tehran is Parading The Hostages Around - Page 2

ashleykennedy · #11 (**permalink**) 03-30-2007, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by greatamerican128";p=&quot

And Britain wants to submit to them and give in?

Dumb decision, Britain could ask the US for help and the US could send in Marines or Black-ops on a rescue mission.

Give me a break Britain-

STOP NEGOTIATING WITH TERRORISTS

Why ask the US for help. The SBS are working in the area and know it better.

But first you have to know where the captives are. Or you end up with a B's up as in the US Iran Hostage fiasco.

In this situation quiet diplomacy would bring faster results.

IRL · #12 (**permalink**) 03-30-2007, 10:58 AM

Such is the way of oriental despotism.

Nothing new.

It's gonna get uglier before we put this dog to sleep.

greatamerican128 · #13 (**permalink**) 03-30-2007, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by ashleykennedy";p=&quot

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Originally Posted by greatamerican128";p=&quot

And Britain wants to submit to them and give in?

Dumb decision, Britain could ask the US for help and the US could send in Marines or Black-ops on a rescue mission.

Give me a break Britain-

STOP NEGOTIATING WITH TERRORISTS

Why ask the US for help. The SBS are working in the area and know it better.

But first you have to know where the captives are. Or you end up with a B's up as in the US Iran Hostage fiasco.

In this situation quiet diplomacy would bring faster results.

There is no such thing as diplomacy with terrorists.

And if true Britain should take care of the hostage takers themselves. I would enjoy seeing the west take a stand against these barbarians.

ashleykennedy · #14 (**permalink**) 03-30-2007, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by greatamerican128";p=&quot

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Originally Posted by ashleykennedy";p=&quot

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Originally Posted by greatamerican128";p=&quot

And Britain wants to submit to them and give in?

Dumb decision, Britain could ask the US for help and the US could send in Marines or Black-ops on a rescue mission.

Give me a break Britain-

STOP NEGOTIATING WITH TERRORISTS

Why ask the US for help. The SBS are working in the area and know it better.

But first you have to know where the captives are. Or you end up with a B's up as in the US Iran Hostage fiasco.

In this situation quiet diplomacy would bring faster results.

There is no such thing as diplomacy with terrorists.

And if true Britain should take care of the hostage takers themselves. I would enjoy seeing the west take a stand against these barbarians.

Iran is a sovereign state.

US funds more terrorism than Iran see Fort Benning and the Latin American school.

Or did you know the above mentioned and mean that no nation should have diplomatic relations with the US?

IRL · #15 (**permalink**) 03-30-2007, 11:27 AM

...while willing to equivicate for Iran.
Nothing new here either.

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Originally Posted by ashleykennedy";p=&quot

US funds more terrorism than Iran see Fort Benning and the Latin American school.

Somebody needs to learn the difference between "state terror" and "terrorism".

The former charge against the US, being the most tenuous of claims anyhow.

Rebellion · #16 (**permalink**) 03-30-2007, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ashleykennedy";p=&quot

Iran is a sovereign state.

So what, and even if there is no definitive agreement and even if we are to believe that their report is accurate (a stretch after they changed it once), capturing them was a mistake. And stupid to boot.

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US funds more terrorism than Iran see Fort Benning and the Latin American school.

Another left wing America hater. What a shock. Another extremist caricature.

greatamerican128 · #17 (**permalink**) 03-30-2007, 11:35 AM

The Us should be diplomatic with some countries, however Iran isn't one of them. They support terrorism, they support the annihilation of Israel, and they wouldn't mind an islamic world where Islam is enforced.

Taking hostages is an act of war and Britain would be well within their rights to attempt a rescue mission and kill every last Iranian hostage taker. Which they should do.

Its time for someone to stand up to Iran and take action.

Mroberts45b · #18 (**permalink**) 03-30-2007, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by greatamerican128";p=&quot

US could send in Marines or Black-ops on a rescue mission.

Give me a break Britain-

STOP NEGOTIATING WITH TERRORISTS

You'd have to be pretty naive to think it's that simple. Do we know where they are held? How they are being guarded? If they are not on some boarder town (which would be stupid) how do you plan on flying deep into Iranian airspace and back out again? To get 15 people you are going to need at least another helicopter just for the hostages alone, not to mention space for any killed or wounded rescuers. Imagine the situation if the rescue force was killed, or worse, captured. How do you think they are going to be treated? How would Iran play it politically? If you don't have 100% mission success you will have just made the situation 100 times worse.

Think before you go into Gung Ho military mode...that kind of thinking got us into the quicksand of Iraq.

Plus, negotiating with terrorists implies that we, well the British, are willing to give them something, which so far I have seen no evidence for.

"LONDON - Britain is urging international allies to join it in suspending official business with Iran in a bid to increase pressure on Tehran to release a group of sailors seized a week ago."

Doesn't sound like negotiation with terrorists to me...

As for what 12th said, I agree its pretty obvious this is not a genuine letter, especially in the way it talks about withdrawal exactly in the way Iran would want. I also agree this shows how desperate Iran has become, like an animal backed into a corner, it's lashing out without thinking.

What the best move is to get them back without starting the video game: "Operation Iraqi Freedom: Iran Expansion Pack," I have no idea.

ashleykennedy · #19 (**permalink**) 03-30-2007, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by IRL";p=&quot

...while willing to equivicate for Iran.
Nothing new here either.

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Originally Posted by ashleykennedy";p=&quot

US funds more terrorism than Iran see Fort Benning and the Latin American school.

Somebody needs to learn the difference between "state terror" and "terrorism".

The former charge against the US, being the most tenuous of claims anyhow.

The Hypocrisy is from someone who is very quick to say that another sovereign state is a terrorist state.

In deed a few do need to learn that there is no difference between terrorism and state terrorism.

Read up on The disappeared in south America and the connection to Fort Benning.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western...ty_Cooperation

Then look up Operation Condor.

Then try to tell me that the US doesn't support terrorism, death squads and cocaine production.

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Operation Condor (Spanish: Operación Cóndor, Portuguese: Operação Condor) was a campaign of state terrorism and intelligence operations implemented by right-wing dictatorships that dominated the Southern Cone in Latin America from the 1950s to 1980s, heavily relying on numerous assassinations. The systematic counter-terrorism aimed both to deter democratic influence and ideas disseminated in the region and to control active or potential opposition movements against these governments. This organized counter-terrorism caused an unknown number of deaths, due to the covering up of the different governments involved. According to the "terror archives" discovered in Paraguay in 1992, 50,000 persons were murdered, 30,000 "disappeared"

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It appears that Henry Kissinger, Secretary of State in the Nixon and Ford administrations, was closely involved diplomatically with the Southern Cone governments at the time and well-aware of the Condor plan. The first cooperation agreements were signed between the CIA and anti-Castro groups, fascist movements such as the Triple A set up in Argentina by José Lopez Rega, "personal secretary" of Juan Peron and Isabel Peron, and Rodolfo Almiron (arrested in Spain in 2006)

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A "U.S. communications installation in the Panama Canal Zone which covers all of Latin America", "employed to co-ordinate intelligence information among the southern cone countries", was acknowledged by the cable. The "information exchange" (via telex) included torture techniques (i.e. near drowning or playing the sound recordings of victims who were being tortured to their families). The infamous "death flights," theorized in Argentina by Luis Maria Mendia — and also used during the Algerian War (1954-62) by Marcel Bigeard — were also widely used, in order to make the corpses, and therefore evidence, disappear. There were also many cases of child abduction.

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In February 2004, John Dinges, a reporter, published "The Condor Years: How Pinochet and His Allies Brought Terrorism to Three Continents" (The New Press, 2004). In this book, he reveals how Uruguayan military officials threatened to assassinate US Congressman Edward Koch in mid-1976. In late July 1976, the CIA station chief in Montevideo received information about it, but recommended that the Agency take no action because the Uruguayan officers (among which Colonel José Fons, who was at the November 1975 secret meeting in Santiago, Chile, and Major José Nino Gavazzo, who headed a team of intelligence officers working in Argentina in 1976, where he was responsible for more than 100 Uruguayans´ deaths) had been drinking when the threat was made. In an interview for the book, Koch said that George H.W. Bush, CIA's director at the time, informed him in October 1976 - more than two months afterward, and after Orlando Letelier's murder - that his sponsorship of legislation to cut off US military assistance to Uruguay on human rights grounds had provoked secret police officials to "put a contract out for you". In mid October 1976, Koch wrote to the Justice Departement asking for FBI protection. None was provided for him. In late 1976, Colonel Fons and Major Gavazzo were assigned to prominent diplomatic posts in Washington DC, but the State Department forced the Uruguayan government to withdraw their appointments, with the public explanation that "Fons and Gavazzo could be the objects of unpleasant publicity..." Koch only became aware of the connections between the threats in 2001.

Condor operatives were trained at the WHISC at fort Benning previously known as the Latin American School.

Go to the disappeared web site and see how many were trained in the US.

http://www.desaparecidos.org/eng.html

greatamerican128 · #20 (**permalink**) 03-30-2007, 12:05 PM

It's given that it won't be easy or simple. However Iran taking hostages is an act of WAR and it should be treated that way. Britain needs to take action and retrieve the hostages. Not try to make a deal.

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