Now Tehran is Parading The Hostages Around - Page 3

JavaBlack · #21 (**permalink**) 03-30-2007, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by greatamerican128";p=&quot

It's given that it won't be easy or simple. However Iran taking hostages is an act of WAR and it should be treated that way. Britain needs to take action and retrieve the hostages. Not try to make a deal.

In other words, Britain needs to ensure that its soldiers are killed?
I have to agree with Blair though on this: What in the hell is Tehran thinking?! Raytri's probably right... desperation. Desperation is a defining characteristic of a rogue state after all.
It's terrible that they are doing this and it is only going to lead to more trouble for them. The letter was obviously either a fake or coerced. Has Iran simply given up on any sane way to negotiate?
But if any force is to be used, it's best to wait until the soldiers are recovered, or at least located.

ashleykennedy · #22 (**permalink**) 03-30-2007, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by greatamerican128";p=&quot

It's given that it won't be easy or simple. However Iran taking hostages is an act of WAR and it should be treated that way. Britain needs to take action and retrieve the hostages. Not try to make a deal.

Are you saying that the US has already declared war on Iran when they kidnapped 5 Revolutionary Guards in Iraq?

BroncoBilly · #23 (**permalink**) 03-30-2007, 12:19 PM

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And Britain wants to submit to them and give in?

Dumb decision, Britain could ask the US for help and the US could send in Marines or Black-ops on a rescue mission.

Give me a break Britain-

STOP NEGOTIATING WITH TERRORISTS

Why ask the US for help. The SBS are working in the area and know it better.

But first you have to know where the captives are. Or you end up with a B's up as in the US Iran Hostage fiasco.

In this situation quiet diplomacy would bring faster results.

...want to fight back? You are unbelievable, you post all these goofy web sites that are made up of all those that hate America(mostly drug cartels), including yourself.

Iran/Us fiasco? You are right, that was exactly how a loony left idiot president would handle most threatening situations. But the fact is, notice how quickly it was resolved when Reagan became president? Have you noticed Iran has not tried to capture any American soldiers since the Iraq war? Gee, you think it may be that Reagan or Bush won't take their BS and WILL pull the trigger, and Iran knows it.

You are a disgrace to your nation AK. People like you, give terrorism a good name, and that is pathetic.

TED-THE-DRUNK · #24 (**permalink**) 03-30-2007, 12:27 PM

Historically, when a country like this takes prisoners.....
we've seen beheadings, bodies burnt and hung, bodies dragged through the streets.....

I think Blair - as well as most other leaders immediately realized that in all likelyhood Britain will not see all 15 returned alive.
.....a double-edged sword for sure: try to save them- or allow this to cartwheel into pandamonium where all will be forfeited for the bigger cause....not where Blair wants to be I'm sure.

greatamerican128 · #25 (**permalink**) 03-30-2007, 12:32 PM

Broncobilly, you couldn't be more correct.

Rebellion · #26 (**permalink**) 03-30-2007, 12:36 PM

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The Hypocrisy is from someone who is very quick to say that another sovereign state is a terrorist state.

In deed a few do need to learn that there is no difference between terrorism and state terrorism.

Read up on The disappeared in south America and the connection to Fort Benning.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western...ty_Cooperation

Then look up Operation Condor.

Then try to tell me that the US doesn't support terrorism, death squads and cocaine production.

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Operation Condor (Spanish: Operación Cóndor, Portuguese: Operação Condor) was a campaign of state terrorism and intelligence operations implemented by right-wing dictatorships that dominated the Southern Cone in Latin America from the 1950s to 1980s, heavily relying on numerous assassinations. The systematic counter-terrorism aimed both to deter democratic influence and ideas disseminated in the region and to control active or potential opposition movements against these governments. This organized counter-terrorism caused an unknown number of deaths, due to the covering up of the different governments involved. According to the "terror archives" discovered in Paraguay in 1992, 50,000 persons were murdered, 30,000 "disappeared"

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It appears that Henry Kissinger, Secretary of State in the Nixon and Ford administrations, was closely involved diplomatically with the Southern Cone governments at the time and well-aware of the Condor plan. The first cooperation agreements were signed between the CIA and anti-Castro groups, fascist movements such as the Triple A set up in Argentina by José Lopez Rega, "personal secretary" of Juan Peron and Isabel Peron, and Rodolfo Almiron (arrested in Spain in 2006)

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A "U.S. communications installation in the Panama Canal Zone which covers all of Latin America", "employed to co-ordinate intelligence information among the southern cone countries", was acknowledged by the cable. The "information exchange" (via telex) included torture techniques (i.e. near drowning or playing the sound recordings of victims who were being tortured to their families). The infamous "death flights," theorized in Argentina by Luis Maria Mendia — and also used during the Algerian War (1954-62) by Marcel Bigeard — were also widely used, in order to make the corpses, and therefore evidence, disappear. There were also many cases of child abduction.

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In February 2004, John Dinges, a reporter, published "The Condor Years: How Pinochet and His Allies Brought Terrorism to Three Continents" (The New Press, 2004). In this book, he reveals how Uruguayan military officials threatened to assassinate US Congressman Edward Koch in mid-1976. In late July 1976, the CIA station chief in Montevideo received information about it, but recommended that the Agency take no action because the Uruguayan officers (among which Colonel José Fons, who was at the November 1975 secret meeting in Santiago, Chile, and Major José Nino Gavazzo, who headed a team of intelligence officers working in Argentina in 1976, where he was responsible for more than 100 Uruguayans´ deaths) had been drinking when the threat was made. In an interview for the book, Koch said that George H.W. Bush, CIA's director at the time, informed him in October 1976 - more than two months afterward, and after Orlando Letelier's murder - that his sponsorship of legislation to cut off US military assistance to Uruguay on human rights grounds had provoked secret police officials to "put a contract out for you". In mid October 1976, Koch wrote to the Justice Departement asking for FBI protection. None was provided for him. In late 1976, Colonel Fons and Major Gavazzo were assigned to prominent diplomatic posts in Washington DC, but the State Department forced the Uruguayan government to withdraw their appointments, with the public explanation that "Fons and Gavazzo could be the objects of unpleasant publicity..." Koch only became aware of the connections between the threats in 2001.

Condor operatives were trained at the WHISC at fort Benning previously known as the Latin American School.

Go to the disappeared web site and see how many were trained in the US.

http://www.desaparecidos.org/eng.html

Allegations. Translated: they have no proof. Are you just upset because Communism lost?

ashleykennedy · #27 (**permalink**) 03-30-2007, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by greatamerican128";p=&quot

And Britain wants to submit to them and give in?

Dumb decision, Britain could ask the US for help and the US could send in Marines or Black-ops on a rescue mission.

Give me a break Britain-

STOP NEGOTIATING WITH TERRORISTS

Why ask the US for help. The SBS are working in the area and know it better.

But first you have to know where the captives are. Or you end up with a B's up as in the US Iran Hostage fiasco.

In this situation quiet diplomacy would bring faster results.

...want to fight back? You are unbelievable, you post all these goofy web sites that are made up of all those that hate America(mostly drug cartels), including yourself.

Iran/Us fiasco? You are right, that was exactly how a loony left idiot president would handle most threatening situations. But the fact is, notice how quickly it was resolved when Reagan became president? Have you noticed Iran has not tried to capture any American soldiers since the Iraq war? Gee, you think it may be that Reagan or Bush won't take their BS and WILL pull the trigger, and Iran knows it.

You are a disgrace to your nation AK. People like you, give terrorism a good name, and that is pathetic.

I spent the 70's and 80,s in the British military.

I would not fight for some liars greed for oil.

The drugs cartels, who runs them in Colombia?

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Colombia has received about $700m annually for the past six years from Washington and is hoping for a similar outlay this year.

But while the Bush administration's support seems unwavering, Congress is a different story. Many members are likely to have questions when they consider requests for further military funding for Mr Uribe, and the ratification of a free trade agreement with Colombia.

http://business.guardian.co.uk/story/0,,2043499,00.html

The Drugs Cartels are right wing paramilitary affairs not left wing.

Joker · #28 (**permalink**) 03-30-2007, 12:40 PM

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I thought that his issue would fizzle out. It's turning out that I was wrong but it's not really that serious yet. Let just hope that things will improve in the next few weeks.

I have to admit too, I'm very surprised how far Iran is taking this situation. Last Tuesday night, I fully expected Iran would have released the sailors by now.

There's not doubt in my mind that the letter is fake, but I don't think Iran really cares what we think about it. Surely, their intention was that the Iranian people would believe it and show more support.