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Old 03-30-2007, 05:45 AM
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TEHRAN, Iran (AP) - One of the 15 British service members held captive in Iran appeared Friday on the government's Arabic-language TV and apologized for entering Iranian waters "without permission."
Iran also released a third letter supposedly from the only woman in the group saying she has been "sacrificed" to the policies of the British and U.S. governments.

British Prime Minister Tony Blair, whose government has insisted that its navy personnel were captured in Iraqi waters, immediately denounced Iran's treatment of the captured navy personnel and said it would only lead to further isolation for Iran. The standoff has added to tensions over Iran's nuclear ambitions and over allegations that Iran is arming Shiite Muslim militias in Iraq.

"I don't know why the Iranian regime keeps doing this, all it does it heightens people's sense of disgust. Captured personnel being paraded and manipulated in this way, it doesn't fool anyone," he said in a brief statement. "And what the Iranians have to realize is that if they continue in this way they will face continued isolation."

In the video Friday, Royal Marine rifleman Nathan Thomas Summers was shown sitting with another male serviceman and the female British sailor Faye Turney against a pink floral curtain. Both men wore camouflage fatigues with a label saying "Royal Navy" on their chests and a small British flag stitched to their left sleeves. Turney wore a blue jumpsuit and a black headscarf.

"Again I deeply apologize for entering your waters," Summers said in the clip broadcast on Al-Alam television. "We trespassed without permission."

It was not known whether the marine spoke under pressure from his captors, but Summers said in the broadcast "our treatment has been very friendly."
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Personally, I think the whole capture and subsequent circus is a sign of Iranian desperation. Their attempts to fend off sanctions diplomatically didn't work. They no longer have Russia or China vigorously protecting them. They're on their last tactic -- and it's backfiring.
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I thought that his issue would fizzle out. It's turning out that I was wrong but it's not really that serious yet. Let just hope that things will improve in the next few weeks.
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"Again I deeply apologize for entering your waters," Summers said in the clip broadcast on Al-Alam television. "We trespassed without permission."

It was not known whether the marine spoke under pressure from his captors, but Summers said in the broadcast "our treatment has been very friendly."
So,we should thing now what London is doing,it is very aggresive,althought Britain had made the mistake...
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I've been sacrificed, claims woman sailor in new letter

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Captured sailor Faye Turney says she has been "sacrificed" to the policies of the British and U.S. governments in a third letter released by her Iranian captors today.

The letter, addressed to the British people, also said that Turney had been treated well, unlike the prisoners held by the at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.

"I'm writing to you as a British serviceperson who has been sent to Iraq, sacrificed due to the intervening policies of the Bush and Blair government," the letter said.
Does anyone believe she's not being pressured?
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I've been sacrificed, claims woman sailor in new letter

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Captured sailor Faye Turney says she has been "sacrificed" to the policies of the British and U.S. governments in a third letter released by her Iranian captors today.

The letter, addressed to the British people, also said that Turney had been treated well, unlike the prisoners held by the at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.

"I'm writing to you as a British serviceperson who has been sent to Iraq, sacrificed due to the intervening policies of the Bush and Blair government," the letter said.
Does anyone believe she's not being pressured?
Yes,it is suspicious but there is plenty of time yet to learn what is going on...
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I've been sacrificed, claims woman sailor in new letter

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Captured sailor Faye Turney says she has been "sacrificed" to the policies of the British and U.S. governments in a third letter released by her Iranian captors today.

The letter, addressed to the British people, also said that Turney had been treated well, unlike the prisoners held by the at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.

"I'm writing to you as a British serviceperson who has been sent to Iraq, sacrificed due to the intervening policies of the Bush and Blair government," the letter said.
Does anyone believe she's not being pressured?
Yes,it is suspicious but there is plenty of time yet to learn what is going on...
The captives are not being paraded in orange jump suits, manacled or shackled.

What the captives are saying is an irrelevancy.

The UK government By their actions is putting a spotlight on Iran for a bit of pre conflict tubthumping. Blair the liar is at his tricks again.
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The captives are not being paraded in orange jump suits, manacled or shackled.
On camera but what about off camera?

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What the captives are saying is an irrelevancy
But what they say in the letters is not consistent with British language.

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Where is the lie? you must point to the lie, so we can see it. otherwise it's just an opinion.
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The captives are not being paraded in orange jump suits, manacled or shackled.
On camera but what about off camera?

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What the captives are saying is an irrelevancy
But what they say in the letters is not consistent with British language.

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Where is the lie? you must point to the lie, so we can see it. otherwise it's just an opinion.
There is no defined border in the waterway.

Algiers agreement 1975:

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legally both sides are lying. At the end of the Shatt al Arab is a sand bank that starts on the Iranian bank and stretches across the Shatt al arab. The border starts from there but the sand bank shifts and so does the border.

Both sides are lying?

The 1975 agreement between Iran and Iraq to settle the border in that area has not been updated by the surveys that were to be carried out every decade.

!985 due to Iran/Iraq war, 1995 due to problems with the peace process after the Iran/Iraq war, 2005 due to US invasion of Iraq.

So the territorial waters are disputed by both side. Now saying that you know exactly where the boundary lies is total BS. Iran cannot claim that and neither can the UK.

When the agreed International survey is completed then we could debate
the whys and wherefores of outrageous actions. Until then no-one can say with any precision how far or on which side of the border anyone was.

How do i know? Because I was involved with surveying the straight for the British Military in the 80's.

19 topographical squadron, 42 survey engineer regiment.

The lie is that the captives were in Iraqi waters.

They were not they were in disputed waters.

What the captives say is an irrelevancy. The Iranians were always going to use them as diplomatic pawns. Whether they were coerced or tricked into saying anything is unimportant. They do not have and political knowledge or control in any events apart from their immediate surroundings.

All the footage should be used for is seeing that the captives are alive and unharmed. The words and letters should be ignored.

They are not being paraded as the Guantanamo captives, there is more political capital to be gained in Iranian eyes if the captives are treated humanely. Sowing the difference between Iran and the US treatment of combatants. The best way for Blair to have dealt with it would have been to shut up and let the diplomats get to work.

With Blair tubthumping he is only strengthening Iran's hand.
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And Britain wants to submit to them and give in?

Dumb decision, Britain could ask the US for help and the US could send in Marines or Black-ops on a rescue mission.

Give me a break Britain-

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