BUT THE GROWTH THAT'S OCCURING OUTSIDE OF THE OIL INDUSTRY IS OCCURING DUE TO NO INCOME OR BUSINESS TAXES. Otherwise, the other middle eastern countries would experience the same growth rates.


Problem is - you have to be able to prove that and show that it is impacting the figures. Produce and present your evidence from an unbiased source.

Taxation is the scam. Fiat currency and central banking are two other scams that governments love to run.

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Efficiency-wise it might be a good idea... but I think there is something very dangerous about a country taking most of its labor from people with no stake or say in the country... That's also my difficulty with outsourcing... It's not so much that I have a problem with seeking out cheap labor. I'm fine with the fact that communication jobs are exported to India, a democracy... but I don't think it's morally reasonable when we use exploited labor from non-free countries.
It's unfortunate that, like DuH says, you cannot buy a (*)(*)(*)(*) thing these days without supporting such a thing... but it's certainly not something to expand on.
The hope, perhaps a bit optimistic, with our outsourcing to non-free countries is that we will help them develop and as they develop gain rights... but if we accept the labor in our own country of non-citizens we are creating a slave class... maybe not as bad as slavery in the past... but a form of slavery nonetheless. And we'll be asking our citizens to compete not only with the developing world... but with slaves.

That was the point I was trying to make in this thread with my posts. What's good for capitalism and efficiency is not always what is good for democracy and humanity. In fact sometimes there is a clash.
If the US is to be a beacon for the world, it should be a beacon of humanity and freedom rather than puritanical efficiency. Let China be the beacon for that... and watch them fall.

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Truthbringer seems to believe the policies he advocates can be instituted by a democratic government.
When in reality the only ones who have introduced such pro-business policies have been dictatorships. Primarily because democracy allow the lowly serfs to disagree with the word of the high'n'mighty .

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bermuda

i believe their GDP per capita this past year fell in the $72,000 range

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And he said, Verily I say unto you, No prophet is accepted in his own country.

bermuda isn't known for its oil is it?

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And he said unto them, Ye will surely say unto me this proverb, Physician, heal thyself: whatsoever we have heard done in Capernaum, do also here in thy country.

And he said, Verily I say unto you, No prophet is accepted in his own country.

They already have been instituted by a democratic government:

http://www.politicalforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=19961

Wrong. You really need to stop lying.

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Perhaps he should have stated "in the modern day"... but maybe not.
In Jefferson's day, were the poor agrarian workers without property allowed to vote? Nope... and there were slaves back then as well.

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Please explain how this is relevant to America.

Are you attempting to prove, using the Dubai example, that if we lowered or eliminated all taxes, that our economy would flourish like in dubai?

If not, what is your point.

If yes, do you see how it is not anagalous to the USA?

Ixtellor

P.S. China has higher taxes, and higher GDP growth.

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Blasphemy is a victimless crime.

I seem to recall a former soviet state doing that and they are doing very well.. can't remember which, somewhere in the baltics I think. I do remember them using Friedman's economic theories as a roadmap. You may want to research it if yer interested.

Our economy would flourish, but the Dubai example is not conclusive proof of that. The only thing that could prove that would be an experiment done here. You can start with a small area and work up to a state if all is succesfful. Then you could try a region.

Do you see how none of your questions are analogous to logic?

Actually it appears that China's tax rates are only slightly higher in some cases and lower in others:

http://www.worldwide-tax.com/china/china_tax.asp

Part of their growth is also due to some sleight of hand trickery with their undervalued currency in relation to foreign currencies, and because they've negotiated most favored trading status in our huge market.

They also have higher rates of tax evasion, as the following well-researched paper demonstrates:

http://econ.ucsd.edu/seminars/seven_...finalclean.pdf

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