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P.S. China has higher taxes, and higher GDP growth.
Bermuda has a lower tax rate and a higher GDP.

Why not put that into your population escalation engine and smoke it.
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P.S. China has higher taxes, and higher GDP growth.
Bermuda has a lower tax rate and a higher GDP.

Why not put that into your population escalation engine and smoke it.
Are you saying that lowering taxes automatically raises GDP?
Truth-Liar is.

Lowering taxes, increases investment, which then trinkles down to consumption. What is in debate, is how much it helps. The dinosaur type supply siders, say it is large, the Keynesians and Bush's self appointed Supply Sider say it can decrease revenues. As a Keynesian, I acknowledge that it has an effect, but the Laffer Curve is best case dream world scenario IMHO. There is no such thing as a free lunch.


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1. So then you made it up....suprise suprise suprise...the man who claims truthful status in his handle is a liar. Let me guess ....used car salesman?
I told you my reasoning on the matter - if you have figures to dispute it, then produce and present them. Oh what? You mean you made your "rebuttal" figures up? LOL.

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2. Figures on money laundering my boy are ALWAYS estimates the simple fact that it is a major hub shows just how big a deal it is.
Regardless, they're unproveable.

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One of the most active offshore zones is Dubai, of the United Arab Emirates.
http://www.jamestown.org/publication...ticle_id=23403
Again, look at your source - they appear to be Neocons:

"The Jamestown Foundation’s mission is to inform and educate policy makers and the broader policy community about events and trends in those societies which are strategically or tactically important to the United States and which frequently restrict access to such information."

So there's a CONFLICT OF INTEREST in that they want to portray other countries as worse than they really are for purposes of intervening there. Example - "We've got to go into Iraq because they've got WMD's!!!!!!" No, there weren't any WMD's in Iraq, and I have a strong suspiscion there's not as much money laundering or terrorist funding going on in Dubai either, as they claim.

And does your source admit that the CIA and the U.S. were dealing drugs and laundering money? Because it happened, and you haven't refuted it.

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3. MOre SPIN and CIA bashing from the spinbringer...what a surprise. Got facts?
Yes, the facts were presented on the link by a former member of the CIA and other government officials. But of course you like to ignore facts that don't support your false beliefs.

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4. As to monmey calculated into Dubais totals yes my boy that and all laundered money transactions are part of those totals...that is the nature of the money laundering business. YOu take illicit funds and for a hefty fee make it those funds appear legal.
Hey, how come you're changing the subject? We were talking about sex slavery? LOL. And how do you know what fees they're making if they're not reporting them?

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5. TOTAL POPULATION:
2,445,989
note: includes 1,576,472 non-nationals (July 2002 est.)
http://www.faqs.org/docs/factbook/print/tc.html
Hey, retard, that population figure is for the United Arab Emirates as a whole. Dubai is only a portion of the UAE. So in very simple terms - that ain't the population of Dubai.

Thanks for destroying the last shred of credibility that you had.

1.029 million in Dubai - source:
http://www.datadubai.com/about-dubai...tion-of-dubai/

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Hmm it seems once again your making up numbers....truth bringer? Hardly more like "facts out of thin air" bringer.
You seem to be the one making things up my friend. I'll continue to expose your lies and distortions.
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well growth, in and of itself, isn't a permanent goal. we shouldn't continuously be growing. and that goes for our population rates as well. however, from a logical standpoint, we should always be free to pursue any peaceful, honest, voluntary activity we wish to pursue without having money stolen from us.
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P.S. China has higher taxes, and higher GDP growth.
Bermuda has a lower tax rate and a higher GDP.

Why not put that into your population escalation engine and smoke it.
Are you saying that lowering taxes automatically raises GDP?
Truth-Liar is.

Lowering taxes, increases investment, which then trinkles down to consumption. What is in debate, is how much it helps. The dinosaur type supply siders, say it is large, the Keynesians and Bush's self appointed Supply Sider say it can decrease revenues. As a Keynesian, I acknowledge that it has an effect, but the Laffer Curve is best case dream world scenario IMHO. There is no such thing as a free lunch.


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I didn't present how much it could help. It was only presented as a way for Vegas entertainers to find a better life within certain times of year of course.
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Lowering taxes, increases investment, which then trinkles down to consumption. What is in debate, is how much it helps. The dinosaur type supply siders, say it is large, the Keynesians and Bush's self appointed Supply Sider say it can decrease revenues. As a Keynesian, I acknowledge that it has an effect, but the Laffer Curve is best case dream world scenario IMHO. There is no such thing as a free lunch.
Ixtell-me-lies-tell-me-sweet-little-lies,

You remind me of these folks:

“Drill for oil? You mean drill into the ground to try to find oil? You’re crazy.” – Criticism from any number of experienced drillers who Edwin L. Drake tried to enlist in his project to drill for oil in 1859. He later became the first man to strike oil.

“This telephone has too many shortcomings to be seriously considered as a means of communication. The devise is inherently of no value to us.” –
Western Union internal memo in response to Bell’s telephone, 1876

“The concept is interesting and well formed, but in order to earn better than a ‘C’ the idea must be feasible.” –
Fred Smith’s Yale University management professor in response to his paper proposing reliable overnight delivery service, 1965. Smith went on to found Federal Express Corporation.

“That is good sport. But for the military, the airplane is useless.” –
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“The television will never achieve popularity; it takes place in a semi-darkened room and demands continuous attention.” –
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1. So then you made it up....suprise suprise suprise...the man who claims truthful status in his handle is a liar. Let me guess ....used car salesman?
I told you my reasoning on the matter - if you have figures to dispute it, then produce and present them. Oh what? You mean you made your "rebuttal" figures up? LOL.

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2. Figures on money laundering my boy are ALWAYS estimates the simple fact that it is a major hub shows just how big a deal it is.
Regardless, they're unproveable.

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One of the most active offshore zones is Dubai, of the United Arab Emirates.
http://www.jamestown.org/publication...ticle_id=23403
Again, look at your source - they appear to be Neocons:

"The Jamestown Foundation’s mission is to inform and educate policy makers and the broader policy community about events and trends in those societies which are strategically or tactically important to the United States and which frequently restrict access to such information."

So there's a CONFLICT OF INTEREST in that they want to portray other countries as worse than they really are for purposes of intervening there. Example - "We've got to go into Iraq because they've got WMD's!!!!!!" No, there weren't any WMD's in Iraq, and I have a strong suspiscion there's not as much money laundering or terrorist funding going on in Dubai either, as they claim.

And does your source admit that the CIA and the U.S. were dealing drugs and laundering money? Because it happened, and you haven't refuted it.

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3. MOre SPIN and CIA bashing from the spinbringer...what a surprise. Got facts?
Yes, the facts were presented on the link by a former member of the CIA and other government officials. But of course you like to ignore facts that don't support your false beliefs.

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4. As to monmey calculated into Dubais totals yes my boy that and all laundered money transactions are part of those totals...that is the nature of the money laundering business. YOu take illicit funds and for a hefty fee make it those funds appear legal.
Hey, how come you're changing the subject? We were talking about sex slavery? LOL. And how do you know what fees they're making if they're not reporting them?

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5. TOTAL POPULATION:
2,445,989
note: includes 1,576,472 non-nationals (July 2002 est.)
http://www.faqs.org/docs/factbook/print/tc.html
Hey, retard, that population figure is for the United Arab Emirates as a whole. Dubai is only a portion of the UAE. So in very simple terms - that ain't the population of Dubai.

Thanks for destroying the last shred of credibility that you had.

1.029 million in Dubai - source:
http://www.datadubai.com/about-dubai...tion-of-dubai/

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Hmm it seems once again your making up numbers....truth bringer? Hardly more like "facts out of thin air" bringer.
You seem to be the one making things up my friend. I'll continue to expose your lies and distortions.

Hey dumb arse DUbai does not exist as a single country anymore....it is part of the UAE. \

As to changing the subject son thats all you've done on this thread....I give you asource that shows the opposite of what you say and you come back with BS about the CIA and drug dealing like that has anything at all to do with anything! Give it up spin bringer making crap up and going off on tangents seems to be the sum total of your argument.

Dubai is the major money laundering site for its part of the world that is a fact.

Dubai engages in sexual slavery and slavery in general that is a fact.

Dubai's system allows for terrorists and criminal networks to transfer funds and resources and reap HUGE profits form that laundering business again thats a fact.

You can whine about the CIA all you want but fact is facts and mine are backed up by the:

CIA
Interpol
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You may not like wha they say but facts is facts and you have yet to counter with anyting credible.
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For those interested, this is apparently T-B's source:
http://www.atlantisgovernment.com/

This being T-B, it's worth checking out the validity of the quotes -- not to dispute her central point (er, insult), but for the sake of simple accuracy.

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“Drill for oil? You mean drill into the ground to try to find oil? You’re crazy.” – Criticism from any number of experienced drillers who Edwin L. Drake tried to enlist in his project to drill for oil in 1859. He later became the first man to strike oil.
I doubt this is a direct, substantiated quote. For one thing, oil drilling as an idea was conceived by others, not Drake. The theory was reasonable, and the question really was whether technical difficulties could be overcome. His main claim to fame was overcoming those difficulties.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_Drake

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“This telephone has too many shortcomings to be seriously considered as a means of communication. The devise is inherently of no value to us.” –
Western Union internal memo in response to Bell’s telephone, 1876
I don't know about the accuracy of the quote, but it's true Western Union turned down an opportunity to buy Bell's patents in 1876.

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“The concept is interesting and well formed, but in order to earn better than a ‘C’ the idea must be feasible.” –
Fred Smith’s Yale University management professor in response to his paper proposing reliable overnight delivery service, 1965. Smith went on to found Federal Express Corporation.
This appears to be an urban legend.
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine...0031_mz072.htm

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“That is good sport. But for the military, the airplane is useless.” –
Ferdinand Foch, Commander in Chief, Allied forces in the western front, World War I.
Although I can't find support for the actual quote, Foch did express such a sentiment -- in 1910, well before WWI and when air power was in its infancy. This is hardly surprising; that was the common thinking before World War I. Nonetheless, it's interesting to note that Foch's France had the largest air force in the world on the eve of WWI, and Foch became a fervent convert to the potential of air power during WWI.

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“The television will never achieve popularity; it takes place in a semi-darkened room and demands continuous attention.” –
Harvard Professor Chester L. Dawes
While Dawes was indeed an electrical-engineering professor at Harvard (in the early 20th century, having graduated in 1909), I can't find any credible reference to this quote. Could be accurate, could not.
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Lets play point out my lies.

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Lowering taxes, increases investment, which then trinkles down to consumption
Is this a lie?

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What is in debate, is how much it [cutting taxes] helps.
Is this a lie. If you have evidence, that I as a college professor in Economics do not possess, please let me know.

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The dinosaur type supply siders, say it is large,
I present the Laffer curve. Is this a lie I am telling?

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the Keynesians and Bush's self appointed Supply Sider say it can decrease revenues.
Is either part of this a lie?
http://www.dlc.org/documents/03-25-A...dget-Final.pdf

This link leads to Bush's supply side economist's predictions of tax revenue based on the Bush tax cuts.

I challenge you to refute my assertation.

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As a Keynesian, I acknowledge that it has an effect, but the Laffer Curve is best case dream world scenario IMHO
Am I lying that I am a Keynesian or what my opinion on the Laffer Curve is?
Please point out where I am lying.

For those not in the know IMHO = In My Humble Opinion.

Or are you suggesting that I was not being humble. Again point out the lie.

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There is no such thing as a free lunch.
This is a basic tenant of economics, accepted by every economist I have ever met. If you can refute it, and thus prove I lied, please do so.

I double dog challenge you to point out where I lied in any of those direct quotes, too which you claimed I was a liar.

For that matter, I challenge ANYONE to refute or prove that any of the above statements were lies.

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1. So then you made it up....suprise suprise suprise...the man who claims truthful status in his handle is a liar. Let me guess ....used car salesman?
I told you my reasoning on the matter - if you have figures to dispute it, then produce and present them. Oh what? You mean you made your "rebuttal" figures up? LOL.

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2. Figures on money laundering my boy are ALWAYS estimates the simple fact that it is a major hub shows just how big a deal it is.
Regardless, they're unproveable.

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One of the most active offshore zones is Dubai, of the United Arab Emirates.
http://www.jamestown.org/publication...ticle_id=23403
Again, look at your source - they appear to be Neocons:

"The Jamestown Foundation’s mission is to inform and educate policy makers and the broader policy community about events and trends in those societies which are strategically or tactically important to the United States and which frequently restrict access to such information."

So there's a CONFLICT OF INTEREST in that they want to portray other countries as worse than they really are for purposes of intervening there. Example - "We've got to go into Iraq because they've got WMD's!!!!!!" No, there weren't any WMD's in Iraq, and I have a strong suspiscion there's not as much money laundering or terrorist funding going on in Dubai either, as they claim.

And does your source admit that the CIA and the U.S. were dealing drugs and laundering money? Because it happened, and you haven't refuted it.

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3. MOre SPIN and CIA bashing from the spinbringer...what a surprise. Got facts?
Yes, the facts were presented on the link by a former member of the CIA and other government officials. But of course you like to ignore facts that don't support your false beliefs.

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4. As to monmey calculated into Dubais totals yes my boy that and all laundered money transactions are part of those totals...that is the nature of the money laundering business. YOu take illicit funds and for a hefty fee make it those funds appear legal.
Hey, how come you're changing the subject? We were talking about sex slavery? LOL. And how do you know what fees they're making if they're not reporting them?

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5. TOTAL POPULATION:
2,445,989
note: includes 1,576,472 non-nationals (July 2002 est.)
http://www.faqs.org/docs/factbook/print/tc.html
Hey, retard, that population figure is for the United Arab Emirates as a whole. Dubai is only a portion of the UAE. So in very simple terms - that ain't the population of Dubai.

Thanks for destroying the last shred of credibility that you had.

1.029 million in Dubai - source:
http://www.datadubai.com/about-dubai...tion-of-dubai/

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Hmm it seems once again your making up numbers....truth bringer? Hardly more like "facts out of thin air" bringer.
You seem to be the one making things up my friend. I'll continue to expose your lies and distortions.

Hey dumb arse DUbai does not exist as a single country anymore....it is part of the UAE. \
California isn't a single country - but yet it exists as a separate entity. SO...... if we're talking about California's economic figures and population, it would be false to say that the population of the United States was the Population of California - which is what you just tried to do in claiming that the population of UAE was the population of Dubai.

I've never claimed Dubai was a single country - but it does have a separate existence apart from the rest of the UAE. And it does have a separate population, territory and economic figures.

You pwned yourself on that point, liberalweenie. Now just admit it and stop making a complete tool out of yourself.

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As to changing the subject son thats all you've done on this thread....I give you asource that shows the opposite of what you say and you come back with BS about the CIA and drug dealing like that has anything at all to do with anything! Give it up spin bringer making crap up and going off on tangents seems to be the sum total of your argument.
LOL. This from someone whose sources have already been shown to be false. And from someone who can't even perform simple addition:

http://www.politicalforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=26075

You have no credibility, liberalweenie. Just give it up.

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Dubai is the major money laundering site for its part of the world that is a fact.

Dubai engages in sexual slavery and slavery in general that is a fact.

Dubai's system allows for terrorists and criminal networks to transfer funds and resources and reap HUGE profits form that laundering business again thats a fact.
And it was a fact that there were WMD's in Iraq according to many Neocons - that one of your sources referenced. And it was a fact that Saddam would have taken over the world if we hadn't gone in after him. And it was a fact that the Iraqis would welcome us with open arms and they'd immediately become a peaceful democracy overnight. And yet all of these alleged "facts" were wrong...

I've never claimed Dubai was a bastion of human rights. But what you can't prove is that any of your assertions have contributed significantly (and quantifiably) to the growth. You've got nothing but speculation.

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You can whine about the CIA all you want
I'm not whining, retard. I'm presenting facts that you can't refute. They point to credibility, and that's a very unpleasant fact for you.

Again, I've never claimed Dubai was a bastion of human rights. You say I'm getting off the point, but you can't even add correctly my friend:

http://www.politicalforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=26075

LOL. What credibility do you think you have to criticize someone else's argument? Learn basic math and then come back to join us.


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You may not like wha they say but facts is facts and you have yet to counter with anyting credible.
I've countered everything you've posted within the framework of my argument. Time to wake up from that delusional fantasy world you live in. 2+2=4
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