Thread: Will Israel still exist in 2048 ?

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Israel is a “threat” to its region because it owns nuclear weapons, Turkey’s Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said Wednesday.

“I right now see Israel as a threat for its region, because it has the atomic bomb,” Erdogan was quoted as saying by the Anatolia news agency, during an official visit to South Africa.

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He also accused Israel of committing “state terrorism.”

Erdogan in the past has accused the West of “double standards” in the way that it has tried to ban Iran from building nuclear weapons without taking similar measures against Israel

In fact - the Zionist entity called "Israel " has proved to be a threat to the region , siince its inception - + the arrival /influx of Europe's AshkeNazi Jews .

Originally Posted by The Judge

I hope that such Zionist dreams for the future don't become a reality. Such would have a damaging impact on the already partially discredited Guilt Complex.

In all honesty , I DO NOT believe Israeli Jews - i.e. the ruling elite - are that stupid , to use employ nuclear weapons -whatever the hot heads + Bullshiners say. Nor IMO - are the Iranians.




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Originally Posted by Marlowe

In all honesty , I DO NOT believe Israeli Jews - i.e. the ruling elite - are that stupid , to use employ nuclear weapons -

They arent, Erodogan is. Hes just demonizing jews because it wins him support from the people.

Originally Posted by dixon76710

They arent, Erodogan is. Hes just demonizing jews because it wins him support from the people.

I hope you'll realize in due course , that Erdogan nore anyone else need go out of their way to "demonise " Israeli authorities
- they're doing a good job at it without anyone''s help.

cheers.

Originally Posted by Marlowe

pLS DO NOT TRY DISTORTING MY words . Where did I say they wanted to "go back to arab coubtries " . ?

I'm well aware that SOME mizrahis (Shas )n are extremst + mirror images of Hamas - otherwise WHY would Hamas have been born ?
Nevertheless, you've failed to address , the main points /essence of my previous post, i,e. "White Jews" the ruling AshkeNazi elite , discrimination against non-White Jews , ---- I wonder why ? - ?????

Yes, there was discrimination in the early days between european jews and sephardic jews. Understandable human nature, and for the most part no longer the case.

You seem to hold jews to a different standard than any other people, including yourself.Why is that? Could it be a simple as because jews are jews and you have made it rather plain how you feel about them?

Arabs discriminate against other arabs. you know Lebanese against Palestinians for example. Wanna bet Kuwatis hate Iraqis. Course the English don't discriminate at all. Neither do most euros. And the Chinese, they just luv everyone.

Originally Posted by Gilos

No....ill be honest and say that land belongs to its native dwelers, no diffrence what nation they had before, just dont tell me we dont have a RIGHT to land thet belong to us, games aside you are right and while some wants to keep israel land whole and under jewish gov, many more are ready to back off - but not to a doctorine that say we have no rights here - if thats the case we wont give strategic lavrage to our proclaimed enemies. that's that

In 1920, the vast majority of the land belonged to its Arab and Jewish Palestinian inhabitants, regardless of bible writings. Since then, migration has changed the facts on the ground with most of Israel mostly belonging to Jews. Just or unjust, this is a fact on the ground and one must accept it as it is. Palestine, on the other hand, mostly belongs to Palestinian Arabs and Israelis need to accept that instead of ethnically cleansing them from their homeland. Israelis have no right to claim Palestine unless they recognize all Palestinians as being Israeli citizens.

Jews will never leave Israel, that would be like America giving all the land back to Indians.

Frankly you are an idiot if you think that would ever happen.

You Arabs list the war and lost Israel, move on with your life it's been over 50 years now


Its not the Jews fault Arabs are failures

Originally Posted by Gilos

not the same, jordan and syria existed before and after the creation of israel on same areas that is now "palestine", same ppl had a diffrent nationality until israel drove their army back, the citizens remained, decades after those countries refused to recignize their own citizens left behind the term palestines was born

I do not understand your post. What do you mean Jordan existed on .... same areas that is now Palestine? That is not true.

Are you trying to say that if a "people" of similar origins exist in a region then there should not be different countries, one of which might be Palestine (modern context)? Go tell that to the people of Ecuador, Peru, Bolivia and northern Argentina. Did the Latvian people cease to exist in 1215?

There is such a thing as history and political consequences. When the allies approved the carve-up of the Middle East after WW1, that created the new reality. Iraq never existed before but few argue today that the Iraqi people have no right to exist as an entity until some new political reality appears. No-one denies the existence of the Portuguese people as an entity. Nor the Namibians. The people of Alsace exist no matter whether the country is part of France or Germany. To suggest otherwise is ludicrous, and the same applies to the Palestinian people.

Your attempted argument that Palestine does not have a right to exist because there is no such historical thing as the Palestinian people, leaks logic from every pore.

What counts is that people have been living in what we now call Palestine since time immemorial. When Abram appeared on the scene, there were no Jews there. Zero, zip, nada. There were Canaanites and other tribes. As political realities changed, most, but not all, of these converted to Judaism. Modern studies suggest that the Jews originated as a religious sect amongst the people of Canaan, which progressively differentiated itself. When Jesus and the Romans got involved many of the same people converted to Christianity. And then when Mohammed created yet another new political reality most of these same people converted to Islam.

Do any of these political coincidences mean that a people with collectively similar genes lived in what we now know as Palestine for tens of thousands of years? If so, why should they not have their own territory within the confines of modern political realities?

Or, to repeat a previous question I posed to you, is your justification that Palestine in fact became almost empty at some stage, only to be filled by foreign immigrants over the past century? If so, I am happy to debate that myth, but don't continue to insult us by pretending that name changes can obliterate an indigenous people of more than 5 millennia and negate the right for there to be a country to accommodate them.

Originally Posted by Gilos

Majority counts in democratic states, in Africa you had a minority that kept power throu un-democratic ways - thats the diffrence

Tell me what is racist within israel borders? .... , outside its borders we fight for our citizen lives so yea there will be roadblocks untill we have peace, dont care how you call that, we try to keep our citizens safe

im not talking about mandate palestine im talking about mandate israel, the other side of the coin remember?
once we had a country and were able to defend it - sure we brought jew refugees and immigrants from all over the world- it is a jewish state, we have no problem keeping the majority that way

you talk about the past as if you can turn the wheel but ofc you cant, if there might be peace somtime - dunno, the palestines also need to chip in.

You ask what is racist within Israel's borders. You therefore place a condition on your debate. What was racist in the beginning was to cause an exodus of indigenous people so that you could artificially create a significant (80%) Jewish majority where one did NOT previously exist. Just like the Afrikaners did. The same!!

What you now want us to do is to forget about this massively racist ethnic cleansing that created your country, to pretend that it is not relevant, and then to progress the debate from THAT point further. Sorry, Gilos, debate cannot massaged like that. It is called a Strawman.

Originally Posted by dixon76710

Nonsense, There has been a large influx of Arab immigrants, just in the last 100 years. Go back 200 years and what we refer to as Palestine was a sparsely populated backwater of the Ottoman empire, ruled from Damascus.

Must I read this that your position is that Palestine was practically empty 100 years ago and that Arab immigrants from elsewhere came to it and populated it to form what is now known as the Palestinians?

If so - MYTH ALERT!! MYTH ALERT!! MYTH ALERT!!