Thread: Islam, Arabs, invented Palestinians

Originally Posted by Onward James

How about this question: are you a convert or just an apologist & appeaser?

The answer depends upon the thread, it changes each time.

Originally Posted by Onward James

What was the tilte again? Did you read all of it. How about this question: are you a convert or just an apologist & appeaser?

"Palestinians" outraged by Gingrich remarks
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LOLOL.. My heritage is Dutch and Irish.. When my family arrived here in the early 1600s we were Dutch Reform Church.. I am Christian by heritage, training and belief.

What does that have to do with the history of Palestine or the Middle East?

Originally Posted by Margot

LOLOL.. My heritage is Dutch and Irish.. When my family arrived here in the early 1600s we were Dutch Reform Church.. I am Christian by heritage, training and belief.

What does that have to do with the history of Palestine or the Middle East?

The Dutch like Muslims. I know of a Dutchman, who converted to Islam. So you are not sure what that has to do with Palestinians. There was a time of peace with the Jews, but that changed when Muhammad arrived, worse later when Islam was written and interpreted. You are aware that the Mulsim Palestinians want Israel off the map, much like the wacko Iranian. The leaders have never wanted peace.

There was a time when the Arabs appreciated the Jews, but, of course you know that. Right?

So explain to all why you are so pro everybody in the Middle East but Israel.

Originally Posted by Margot

You mean when the Mongols conquered India?

The Arabs from the Arabian Peninsula traded with East Africa, Egypt, the Indus Valley and Babylon.. a thousand years before Islam.

Have you heard of Madain Saleh or Petra or the Marib Dam.... have you ever heard of the Christians of Najran.

The Saudis are doing quite well for themselves... but how would you know that?

You do not enough history. The Mongols conquered far more than India, all of Persia and then some.

I have no problem with the histroy of the Arabs but I am not fond of Islam, or what the Muslims have done back then, and still continue with their medieval desires.

Originally Posted by Onward James

The Dutch like Muslims. I know of a Dutchman, who converted to Islam. So you are not sure what that has to do with Palestinians. There was a time of peace with the Jews, but that changed when Muhammad arrived, worse later when Islam was written and interpreted. You are aware that the Mulsim Palestinians want Israel off the map, much like the wacko Iranian. The leaders have never wanted peace.

There was a time when the Arabs appreciated the Jews, but, of course you know that. Right?

So explain to all why you are so pro everybody in the Middle East but Israel.

The first time I saw the Palestinian refugees in Lebanon I was quite young, so I have followed the story quite closely for over 60 years.. I used to listen to the radio broadcasts every night from the BBC, Radio Cairo, Voice of America about the endless small massacres in Lebanon and Syria.

Yes.. the Arabs did appreciate the Jews, but European Zionism undermined all that.

Before Muhammed the Jewish King of Yemen burned 2000 Najran Christians if you were referring to ancient times.. The Christian King of Abyssinia came to their rescue.. Protecting them later passed to Muhammed.

No one in my family has ever converted to Islam.. As I said we have been in America since the early 1600s..

Originally Posted by Onward James

You do not enough history. The Mongols conquered far more than India, all of Persia and then some.

I have no problem with the histroy of the Arabs but I am not fond of Islam, or what the Muslims have done back then, and still continue with their medieval desires.

Have you ever lived or worked anywhere in the Arab world?

Have you ever lived or worked anywhere in the Arab world?

What is the point you are trying to make? That I do not know or know enough, like you or others?

The fact is that the Egyptians, and Arabs were generally far better off without Islam, which is a derivative from Judaism, as is Christianity.

The Muslims were, and still are hateful of the wiser more edcuated Jews and the Egyptians and Romans back when there were the Alexandrine libraries. Muslims burned the libraries and most of the scrolls, because to them there was only one scroll, one book.

The Palestinians, Arabs, Trans-Jordanians, and so forth, would have been better being part of Israel. Part of democracy and either reforming the ideology of Islam, based on the Qur'an, the doctrine of the sword. However, since they procreate so much the Jews would have been concerned , because of the future votes. That is why, evidently, some say Islam is spreading around the world. "Spread out and procreate we wil outlast them."

I have studied the Midde East for over a decade, and have a list of contacts and sources who are quite formidable.

By the way, mention Chingis (or Genghis) Khan to Islamists or even moderate Muslims and watch their eyes and face. Usually, one can spot a nervous twitch or a grittier reaction.

The Muslims were almost taken off the map of the world. Since they subjugated, the Great Khan allowed them their routines, to a point, as long as the Mongols received their due from conquering. And what aggravates the Muslim historians is that Mongol women were warriors and commanders that could release arrows better than most of their inept warriors and mercenaries.

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Originally Posted by Margot

Have you ever lived or worked anywhere in the Arab world?QUOTE]

What is the point you are trying to make?

The fact is that the Egyptians, and Arabs were generally far better off without Islam, which is a derivative from Judaism, as is Christianity.

The Muslims were, and still are hateful of the wiser more edcuated Jews and the Egyptians and Romans back when there were the Alexandrine libraries. Muslims burned the libraries and most of the scrolls because to them there was only one scroll, one book.

The Palestinians, Arabd, Trans-Jordanians, and so forth, would have been better being part of Israel. However, since they procreate so much the Jews would have been concerned , because of the future votes.

I have studied the Midde East for over a decade, and have a list of contacts and sources wgho are quite formidable.

By the way mention Chingis (or Genghis) Khan to Islamists or even moderate Muslims and watch their eyes and face. Usually one can spot a nervous twitch.

I thought you might want to see the ACTUAL boundaries of the Mongol Empire.

Do you actually know any Arabs or Muslims? Have you ever been to Jordan or Egypt or Palestine?

You may want to check the burning of the Library in Alexndria. It was burned by Julius Caesar himself in 48 BC.. 500 years before Isam.

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Originally Posted by Onward James

I thought you might want to see the ACTUAL boundaries of the Mongol Empire.

Do you actually know any Arabs or Muslims? Have you ever been to Jordan or Egypt or Palestine?

You may want to check the burning of the Library in Alexndria. It was burned by Julius Caesar himself in 48 BC.. 500 years before Isam.

Not burned entirely. Many years later the Muslims attacked and burned the libraries. You are limited with your history.

Yes, I know Muslims of different sects and levels. And I have met three of the renowned Middle East authorities. I have been invited to Egypt by a member of the once important family, politicially and historically; but I turned it down. Partly because I wanted to pay for my own trip and I was somewhat impecunious, but the major reason was the following.

Islam will continue to remain medieval until the ideology is changed, reformed, people accept modernity, separation of church and state, and progress. Hence, I have no interest in any Muslim nation, and I would rather visit Israel.

However, for now I work on my third novel attempt. And when they are published I will have some funds to travel again. Maybe.

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Originally Posted by Margot

Not burned entirely. Many years later the Muslims attacked and burned the libraries. You are limited with your history.

Yes, I know Muslims of different sects and levels. And I have met three of the renowned Middle East authorities. I have been invited to Egypt by a member of the once important family, politicially and historically; but I turned it down. Partly because I wanted to pay for my own trip and I was somewhat impecunious, but the major reason was the following.

Islam will continue to remain medieval until the ideology is changed, reformed, people accept modernity, separation of church and state, and progress. Hence, I have no interest in any Muslim nation, and I would rather visit Israel.

However, for now I work on my third novel attempt. And when they are published I will have some funds to travel again. Maybe.

Looks like the Alexandria Libraries were burned several times over 6 centuries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_of_Alexandria

My last trip to Arabia was a gift of the family for a book I co-wrote.. It was given to every graduating Saudi student. .. was fun for me..

I think you have confused what you have read in the West about Islam with Muslims in the Arab world. Modernity doesn't necessarily mean American culture.