Thread: Yes, Sanctions Against Iran Can Work!

Originally Posted by atabitaraf

Dear Borat,
First I want to mention I am not totally in agreement with the government but for the nuclear issue I think I am.
When it is not in the government's commitment to deal about this site it is a new agreement. It should not be called 'not cooperate'
I ask you, why they don't want to assure us of not selling our information as they disclosed the name of nuclear scientists to Israel and they became killed one after another and what your reporting agency did? Almost Silence, Misinformed.

They are just playing stupid. They know there is no nuclear weapons program.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomac...eapon-1.419300

Mossad, CIA agree Iran has yet to decide to build nuclear weapon

Greetings!

Originally Posted by DorkdoltConservative

They are just playing stupid. They know there is no nuclear weapons program.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomac...eapon-1.419300

Greetings!

I am just curious, do people really not understand the difference between not building a nuke just yet and not having a weapons program or they think they are clever and fooling others?

The article you are quoting states that they are not building a bomb yet. That they are building the infrastructure to build a bomb and enriching huge quantities of uranium to very high levels far beyond the requirements of civilian use is not even disputed. The infrastructure to enrich uranium to weapons grade and build a bomb IS nuclear weapons program.

Originally Posted by Borat

I am just curious, do people really not understand the difference between not building a nuke just yet and not having a weapons program or they think they are clever and fooling others?

The article you are quoting states that they are not building a bomb yet. That they are building the infrastructure to build a bomb and enriching huge quantities of uranium to very high levels far beyond the requirements of civilian use is not even disputed. The infrastructure to enrich uranium to weapons grade and build a bomb IS nuclear weapons program.

Do you see the difference between building a nuke and wanting to build a nuke?

Originally Posted by atabitaraf

Dear Borat,
First I want to mention I am not totally in agreement with the government but for the nuclear issue I think I am.
When it is not in the government's commitment to deal about this site it is a new agreement. It should not be called 'not cooperate'
I ask you, why they don't want to assure us of not selling our information as they disclosed the name of nuclear scientists to Israel and they became killed one after another and what your reporting agency did? Almost Silence, Misinformed.

The refusal to provide access required by the UN designated monitoring agency is non-cooperation. And what are they hiding anyway? The IAEA does not need to know the identities of the scientists to inspect the sites, the idea that a UN body is selling names to Israel is preposterous and Israel has other means (the Mossad) of finding out the names of these scientists anyway.

Oh and the assassinations of Iranian nuclear weapons scientists were widely reported in Western media, you've been misinformed on this account as well.

Originally Posted by Realite

Unprecedented sanctions against Iran have been decided by the United States, Europe and like-minded countries. However, a number of commentators seem to doubt their effectiveness. They are wrong. Sanctions against Iran already have an effect. To carry on with sanctions is the least unreasonable option, says French expert Bruno Tertrais http://www.realite-eu.org/site/apps/...91&ct=11614995

Yes, Look how it worked in the previous WMD variation in Iraq. We certainly shouldn't try to learn anything from that fiasco. We should again start with sanctions against covert non-existant weaponry and then justify progress to military action.

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Originally Posted by Borat

The refusal to provide access required by the UN designated monitoring agency is non-cooperation. And what are they hiding anyway? The IAEA does not need to know the identities of the scientists to inspect the sites, the idea that a UN body is selling names to Israel is preposterous and Israel has other means (the Mossad) of finding out the names of these scientists anyway.

Oh and the assassinations of Iranian nuclear weapons scientists were widely reported in Western media, you've been misinformed on this account as well.

First, disclosing the names of nuclear scientists was a wrong action and the order of assassination based on that list not any other (you say Mossad or something)
Second, Dear Borat! Tehran's reactor for medical radiation needs 20% and this is why some western countries claimed, we could prepare it for you if you stop enriching and they delayed so we enriched personally. Because Tehran's reactor was near to be empty.
Third, Well, when you say 'the assassinations of Iranian nuclear weapons scientist' you mean Mr. Alimaohammadi were teaching making nukes in our universities? Please stop joking and be rational. We can refer to a variety of majors and references and hand-notes of Iranian universities in detail if you are still in your imagination of making such things. Would you please mention only one course related to your claiming, teaching how to make nukes, in our universities? Please stop it!

And no one tries to support cruelty. Do you mind if I ask you about Israel's nukes? You doubt it whether we think about them or study about them (which is totally fake) but you never want to discuss Israel's?

Originally Posted by atabitaraf

First, disclosing the names of nuclear scientists was a wrong action and the order of assassination based on that list not any other (you say Mossad or something)
Second, Dear Borat! Tehran's reactor for medical radiation needs 20% and this is why some western countries claimed, we could prepare it for you if you stop enriching and they delayed so we enriched personally. Because Tehran's reactor was near to be empty.
Third, Well, when you say 'the assassinations of Iranian nuclear weapons scientist' you mean Mr. Alimaohammadi were teaching making nukes in our universities? Please stop joking and be rational. We can refer to a variety of majors and references and hand-notes of Iranian universities in detail if you are still in your imagination of making such things. Would you please mention only one course related to your claiming, teaching how to make nukes, in our universities? Please stop it!

And no one tries to support cruelty. Do you mind if I ask you about Israel's nukes? You doubt it whether we think about them or study about them (which is totally fake) but you never want to discuss Israel's?

To be fair, he isn't the only one with that concern. If there is any potential nuclear capacity at all, it will be viewed a risk.

Hello there!
Personally I believe to be fair we should not concentrate on only 5+1 countries (although not all of them are in agreement or disagreement with us) but the other nationalities have the same right too.
A unique power in policy leads to dictatorship. To get the truth we should refer to both sides and let them speak:
http://www.tehrantimes.com/politics/...game-larijani-
http://tehrantimes.com/politics/9855...nuclear-energy
Scientific examinations in peaceful ways with any percentages is one of the simplest rights we have out of international agreements. Although Iran's government with its own free will accepted suspension several times, during President Khatami and President Ahmadinejad's periods. But people cannot wait forever and accept suspensions one after another and see that western countries never cooperate. (Dear Borat! Not delivering the enriched uranium is called 'not-cooperating)
In one word, what the government has done so far is purely on its own free will and not its duty so the government wants to cooperate although it is not its task based on what NPT sentences say. The committee has to put one step forward too.

Originally Posted by atabitaraf

Hello there!
Personally I believe to be fair we should not concentrate on only 5+1 countries (although not all of them are in agreement or disagreement with us) but the other nationalities have the same right too.
A unique power in policy leads to dictatorship. To get the truth we should refer to both sides and let them speak:
http://www.tehrantimes.com/politics/...game-larijani-
http://tehrantimes.com/politics/9855...nuclear-energy
Scientific examinations in peaceful ways with any percentages is one of the simplest rights we have out of international agreements. Although Iran's government with its own free will accepted suspension several times, during President Khatami and President Ahmadinejad's periods. But people cannot wait forever and accept suspensions one after another and see that western countries never cooperate. (Dear Borat! Not delivering the enriched uranium is called 'not-cooperating)
In one word, what the government has done so far is purely on its own free will and not its duty so the government wants to cooperate although it is not its task based on what NPT sentences say. The committee has to put one step forward too.

We watched in disbelief at the result when Saddam did not take the Western military threat seriously. Then we watched while Libya made the same mistake.

For its own protection, Iran needs to take it seriously and not underestimate the potential for Western action. Russia won't deter them from acting, regardless of Larijani's ill-advised comments.

Originally Posted by Viv

We watched in disbelief at the result when Saddam did not take the Western military threat seriously. Then we watched while Libya made the same mistake.

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Dear Viv, When should anyone stand? What is the value of being a human? Please do not compare some leaders in cooperation with their previous supporter with us.
If they could that's for sure they wouldn't waste a minute for the sake of human rights or something. And they do not think about the people's blood as they have never thought for Palestinians' when Mubarak and the other evils cooperated with them.
What should we talk about the defeat when we have the power now? Remember during our revolutionary war when we were at the minimum level of war equipments we won! And all the cruel powers got used to selling illegal chemical bombs to Saddam...
Now world knows the result! As Dagan predicted the five minutes next to it,
Not getting involved to war is for the sake of saving Israel.