if israel is to recognize the palestinian state as an arab state but israel is not to be recognized as a jewish state.

Abbas continues rejecting 'Jewish state' notion
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JPost staff and AP , THE JERUSALEM POST Dec. 1, 2007

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Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas on Saturday reiterated his rejection of Israel's demand to recognize it as a Jewish state.

"From a historical perspective, there are two states: Israel and Palestine. In Israel, there are Jews and others living there. This we are willing to recognize, nothing else," Abbas told reporters before leaving for Saudi Arabia where he met Saudi King Abdullah for talks on the results of the Annapolis conference.

Palestinian negotiator Ahmad Qurei (Abu Ala) emphasized that that upcoming negotiations with Israel also apply to the Gaza Strip, even though it is under Hamas control.

After Abbas's meeting with the Saudi king, the PA President's spokesman, Nabil Abu Rudaineh, condemned the "dangerous" escalation in Gaza, following IDF operations that killed six Palestinians in the Strip earlier Saturday.

Rudaineh called on the Israeli government to stop the Gaza raids. "The escalation causes the situation to deteriorate when serious efforts are being made to resolve the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians," Rudaineh told reporters in Riyadh.

Earlier Saturday, Abbas said that there would be meetings in Moscow and Paris to follow up on the Annapolis peace conference.

Abbas made the remarks after meeting with Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak in Cairo. He also said that a special negotiating team led by Qurei, would handle negotiations with Israelis, which are due to launch Dec. 12.

"There was this myth that there were talks or a deal," at the summit, Abbas said. "The purpose of the Annapolis meeting was to launch talks without going into details."

Ariel Scheinermann parents were Russian and he studied in Georgia Russia.

Ehud Brog was the son of Russian immigrants. but not that his tenure was among the shortest for an Israeli prime minister

David Grün was born in Plonsk part of the Russian Empire he was exiled from Palestine with Ben-Zvi to Egypt in March 1915 by the Ottomans because of his Zionist tendencies. And Jailed by the British for terrorist activities.

http://www.jafi.org.il/education/100...e/BIOS/bg.html

Moshe Shertok Born in Kherson, Ukraine, then part of the Russian Empire.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...y/sharett.html

Levi Shkolnik was born in the village of Oratov near Kiev, Ukraine.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...hy/eshkol.html

Golda Mebovitz was born on May 3, 1898, in Kiev, the capital of the Ukraine. At the age of 8, her family immigrated to the United States, and she grew up in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.

http://www.pmo.gov.il/PMOEng/Governm...ters/Golda.htm

Yitzhak Rabin born to Russian immigrants Nehemiah Rubitzov and Rosa Cohen.

http://www.pmo.gov.il/nr/exeres/BF18...B7DA3001EA.htm

Szymon Perski born in in Wiśniewo, Poland (now Višnieva (Vishnevo), Belarus, then part of the Russian Empire)

http://www.britannica.com/eb/article...5/Shimon-Peres

Menachem Wolfovich Begin born in Brest-Litovsk ("Brisk") Belarus part of the Russian Empire.

The infamous wanted poster of the terrorist Begin.

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http://www.palestineremembered.com//images/Terrorist-Wanted.jpg[/img]

Icchak Jaziernicki born in Różana, a Polish part of the Russian Empire (now Ruzhany, Belarus)

http://www.zionism-israel.com/bio/It..._biography.htm

Binyamin Netanyahu was born in Tel Aviv, to Zila and Benzion Netanyahu (original name Milkosky). Netanyahu's relatives were Jews from Lithuania.

That was the Prime Ministers of Israel; Now for the Presidents of Israel:

Chaim Azriel Weizmann born in Motol (Motyli, now Motal') near Pinsk (Russian Empire, now in Belarus)

http://www.jafi.org.il/education/100...bios/weiz.html

Yitzhak Shimshelevitz, second and longest serving President of Israel. Born in Poltava, Ukraine, Ben-Zvi was the eldest son of Zvi Shimshelevitz, who later took the name Shimshi. Exiled with David Grün to Egypt in 1915.

http://www.israel-mfa.gov.il/MFA/Fac...zhak%20Ben-Zvi

Shneur Zalman Rubrashov born in Mir, near Minsk Belarus, part of the Russian Empire.

http://www.israel-mfa.gov.il/MFA/Fac...alman%20Shazar

Ephraim Katchalski born in Kiev, Ukraine

http://www.israel-mfa.gov.il/MFA/Fac...hraim%20Katzir

Vivian Herzog born at Clifton Park Avenue in North Belfast, Northern Ireland, UK

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...hy/herzog.html

Looks like there are plenty of name changes in Israel and Palestine.

Who gives a sh#t?

NumberUnknown was pointing out what Abbas thinks, who he is, not his name change...

Jabotinsky was a fascist with Nazi contacts, and jailed for being a terrorist.

Begin the same and a wanted terrorist.

David Grun was jailed for being a terrorist.

Ariel Scheinermann aka Sharon was a War Criminal.

Name changes and Terrorist activities/War crimes and Nazi contacts, what a pretty little bunch they are.

abbas refused to recognise israel as a jewish state thus abbas refuses to recognize 181, but abbas sees palestine as an arab state.

just another point of interest of palestinian denial demonstrating very little separation between hamas and the plo.

remember the rubric "one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. the basic difference is that palestinians specifically target civilians and the israelis target terrorist. one, the palestinians, is a beggard society dependent upon handouts and the other is a productive democracy.

Not quite the truth there Halla.

Abbas has no problem with Jews in Palestine, it's the squatters that are a problem. Squatter only roads, different laws imposed by an occupation force, squatters on private property and the perennial squatter violence. If the squatters were to abide by the Palestinian laws then there would be no problem. The Israeli squatters would have to give up their Israeli nationality and they would get evicted from the private property that they have attempted to steal, but what the heck they can't have everything. Oh and the squatters would have to make good any damage they have done plus pay a bit of back rent and then they can stay other wise they would be illegal.

This is about British forces evacuating. And at what date was Tel Aviv evacuated by the British forces?

UN Docs

I guess you missed the bit about progressive withdrawl.

Is this twaddle and quotes have any subject, direction or logic in mind

You Halla see the IDF as freedom fighters, I on the other hand see them as terrorists, because of the way they specifically target civilians. When the kill ratios are analysed the Palestinians are hitting a greater percentage of military targets than the IDF.

The US has been known to give dole money to Israel. But that is no different in that the Yishuv has been use to hand outs for the last 1000 years.

1867 Mark Twain visits Palestine and writes “Innocents Abroad” based on his experiences.

“Renowned Jerusalem itself, the stateliest name in history, has lost all its ancient grandeur, and is become a pauper village;”

Even Mark Twain remarked on it.

Israel usually posts sizeable current account deficits, which are covered by large transfer payments from abroad and by foreign loans. Roughly half of the government's external debt is owed to the US, which is its major source of economic and military aid.

So who are the beggars in the ME again?

israel and the united states have a symbiotic relationship, the palestinians who are dependent upon united states aid are parasitic. as a percent of gdp, the aid from the united states is less than one percent. the aid the palestinians get is a much more significant portion, about 25% or so.

for about 0.1% the united states gets a strategic ally willing to take hits such as it did during the gulf war and not intervene to avoid upsetting the arabs. the united states also get input from israeli research in a broad spectrum of disciplines from medicine, nanotechnology, computer software, weaponry etc. what do the palestinians offer. zip!

you see ashley israel is integrated into modernity, the palestinian arabs are locked into a corrupt and dysfunctional society. one that sells its children so that they can kill innocents abroad in the form of terror.

just imagine this 60 years ago, israel was about 600,000 people, 125,000 just from the concentration camps, set up upon by islamic ignorance and arrogance in an existential struggle. the palestinians numbered more and sided with the ignorant and arrogant islamic arabs.

today israel has an economy of 170 billion dollars, the palestinians have an economy of about 5 billion dollars.

quote="halla";p="421618"]one, the Palestinians, is a beggared society dependent upon handouts and the other is a productive democracy.[/quote]

Sorry I need to get this straight; your argument consists of “Israel is a parasite on the US economy”?????

Again, Israel usually posts sizeable current account deficits, which are covered by large transfer payments from abroad and by foreign loans. Roughly half of the government's external debt is owed to the US, which is its major source of economic and military aid.

The Yishuv has been collecting alms from the world Jewry from the 14th century,

Israel can’t even pay their teachers

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071213/...eachers_strike

What an Israeli teacher gets in a month I get in a week.
My last wage slip for one 38.5 hr week was £789.54 that’s $1593.50 to you.
As Israel has caused destruction and stagnation of Palestinian economics I would say that it is time that Palestine declared unilateral independence and chucked all the Illegal squatters (and that is illegal under Israeli law) out along with the Israeli military.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/h...estineicrc.pdf

Israel was not willing to take hits for the US. Israel made demands for patriot missile defence system. And if Israel had put its head above the parapet then the Wahabist Saudis would have suddenly changed sides. Israel was the fly in the ointment not a cure for the common cold.

Israel does that for Israel’s benefit not for the benefit of mankind. Israel is not an altruistic society.

And again Israel is strangling the Palestinian economy.

Israel is becoming more dysfunctional every week. Israel is adopting practices that went out with the Ark.

David Grossman at the Rabin memorial ceremony, Tel Aviv, November 4, 2006

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/19770

Naomi Ragen:-
http://www.naomiragen.com/Columns/I%...0the%20Bus.htm

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/808316.html

I think you need to offer proof of that fact before you sprout sh*te out like that.

Just imagine if 90 years ago the Jewish leadership in Palestine had gone for gradual integration instead of militancy? Unfortunately History doesn’t go for what ifs so we’ll just have to make do with what really happened.

So why didn’t they ask for a bit of aid from the Arab world to move to the US, it would have much better than theft of private property.

With such overwhelming numbers the Arabs should have been able to destroy such a little pimple? Probably means that there was collusion across the Jordan and the Jewish state wasn’t in any problem? Rather shoots you theories in the foot doesn’t it?

And when the Israeli economy gets strangled by boycotts? What will the excuse be then?

The cost effectiveness of the Palestinian efforts was greater than the Yishuv’s efforts pre-declaration of Independence.

The logic of your argument would mean that the Yishuv should never have been allowed to declare independence?

Halla please sort out where the quote button is.