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    Will be interesting to see if this comes true...

    Gul: Iran, Russia will change toward Syria
    March 3,`12 (UPI) -- Iran and Russia's only choice is to join the international opposition to President Bashar Assad's regime in Syria, Turkish President Abdullah Gul says.
    In a statement Friday, Gul said he expected the leaders of both countries to change their views on Assad, given the rising violence in Syria, the Israeli newspaper Haaretz reported. Russia and China have used their vetoes on the U.N. Security Council to block a motion that would allow sanctions against Syria.

    Unconfirmed reports from the Syrian Network for Human Rights said 44 army recruits were summarily executed early Saturday at Abu Athuhoor Military Airport in Idlib. The network said 50 soldiers planned to defect to the opposition but were tricked by a captain who pretended to be joining them and instead reported their plans to Brig. Gen. Bassam Abbas.

    In its report Friday, the network listed 65 deaths, 26 of them in Homs. Many of the victims were civilians, including children.

    Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/#ixzz1o7WDEGdM
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    Russia-Syrian-Iranian common defense pact
    24 July 2006 : Russia, Iran and Syria have entered a defense pact that is in the process of altering the balance of power in the entire Middle East. Russia’s part in the pact has been kept relatively secret for a long time. But the facts reveal a long steady Russian commitment to the Iranian nuclear program and arms supply to Syria.
    A Mossad General shared with me in confidence that he had personally traced the hiring and importation to Iran 283 of the defunct Soviet Union’s top nuclear and missile scientists. This meeting took place in February of 1991. I shared this information with no one until nine months later when it was first made public (although strangely not followed up by the mainstream media). All Russian leaders continued and expanded this agreement to this day, especially our supposed friend, Vladimir Putin. Russia has helped the Iranian nuclear program from its inception. Hundreds of Russian scientists with their families live around the some twenty scattered nuclear related facilities. Russian ‘Spetznaz soldiers’ (special forces) guard all the key nuclear facilities. Iran has had some help on missile development from the North Koreans. But even their missiles are based upon Russian designs. The unmistakable culprit in China, North Korea and Iran’s nuclear development has been the Soviet Union and continued by Russia.

    The Soviet Union’s motivation for helping China and North Korea was primarily ideological. Russia’s primary reason is hard cash, although now, it is taking on a strategic importance as well. So here are the disturbing hard facts about what is taking place in what can only be viewed as a dangerous anti-western strategy in the form of a Russian-Syrian-Iranian Axis. The first part of this strategy was, as I said above, Russia enabling Iran to produce deliverable nuclear warheads. The second part was the forming of the recent mutual defense pact between Iran and Syria. The foreign ministers of Iran and Syria, Mostafa Najjar and Hassan Turkmani, signed the pact in Tehran on June 15th, 2006. Debka’s intelligence sources unveiled a disturbing clause in the agreement that was reported to President Bush by US Intelligence. This report disclosed:

    “The clause speaks of more than one battery of upgraded SHEHAB-3 surface-to-surface missiles to be deployed on the 13,000-foot Jabal Ash Shanin ridges towering over central Syria. “The latest Syrian-Iranian exchanges are reported by DEBKA-Net-Weekly’s intelligence sources as auguring the early dispatch from Tehran of a deputation of officers to take up position at al Qadnus, east of the Syrian port of Tartus, and along the road linking the port to Jabal Ash Shanin. "This team will act as the vanguard of the Iranian missile force to operate the missiles station, will check out the ground and fix its precise location. “Senior intelligence officials warned the US President that this deployment would not just throw the entire Middle East balance of strength out of kilter, but directly menace American bases as far as West and East Europe and the Central Asian republics, including those located on the shores of the oil-rich Caspian Sea.”

    This puts virtually all of Europe within range of the soon-coming nuclear tipped Iranian missiles — and at the whim of Iranian President, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Remember him? He is the one who believes Allah has chosen him to fulfill an “end time” Muslim prophecy by starting a world apocalypse in which the long-awaited ‘Mahdi’ (Muslim Messiah) will appear and subject all survivors to Allah. As if this isn’t bad enough news, there is something even more alarming developing within this new axis of evil. Russia is now making moves to protect Syria and its Shehab-3 missile base. This is what DEBKA-News-Weekly reported:

    “Our sources have observed the Russians dredging the port of TARTUS, Syria’s second most important Mediterranean port, with a view to expanding their logistical supply point there to a fully-equipped naval base, possibly to serve the Black Sea Fleet warships when they are redeployed from the Ukrainian port of Sevastopol. It is designed to be built up into the permanent base for the fleet led by the RFS Moskva (TG Flag) missile cruiser and the RFS Azov landing ship within the next three years. “February 27, 2006, DEBKA file’s exclusive sources found the MOSKVA and AZOV heading into the Mediterranean on Feb. 5, escorted by a Russian military tug, to take part in the a NATO marine exercise Operation Active Endeavor, which was to practice counter-measures against nuclear and other WMD smugglers. NATO chiefs and American generals in particular, attached great importance to Russia’s participation in the exercise. NATO secretary Jaap de Hoop Scheffer had intended to make the gesture of being the North Atlantic Organization chief to visit a Russian flagship.

    “The visit was cancelled when it was discovered that the three Russian fleet vessels would be paying an official call at the Syrian port of Latakia. “The arrival of the Russian task force in TARTUS in March marked the opening of the Russian base. Our military experts note that the Missile Cruiser MOSKVA is armed with the weapons, radar and electronic gear of an [aircraft] carrier hunter. “The American intelligence briefing for the US President further disclosed that sophisticated Russian air defense systems are to be installed for the dual purpose of protecting the TARTUS NAVAL BASE and the SHEHAB-3 missile emplacements. DEBKA-Net-Weekly’s military sources identify the system as the S-300PMU-2. It will be operated by Russian military crews and not put in Syrian hands. “This air defense system is comparable to the American Patriot, but is more effective. “The version to be deployed in Syria is geared to intercept ballistic missiles. It has the great advantage of being ready to fire five minutes after receiving orders …”

    This explains why Iran has blatantly defied the world and continued developing nuclear warheads, which are closer to becoming operational than we dare believe. Second, it explains the reason why the Iranian and Syrian defense ministers signed a mutual defense pact last June 15th. Third, it gives the reason for Hezbollah launching a war with Israel when they did. It was to divert the G-8 leaders from seriously debating action about the Iranian nuclear threat. And Vladimir Putin played a masterful game of concealing what his forces are doing. Fourth, it explains why Syria and Iran are unafraid to openly support Hezbollah in their war with Israel and support terrorist that target US troops in Iraq. Russia is in the background guaranteeing their protection. Debka reports that they found data indicating that Russia helped persuade Syrian President Bashir Assad to accept the placement of Iranian missiles on their soil by hinting that “it is part of their own deepening strategic plans for Syria.

    -Snip-------Rest of article pertains to fulfillment of Biblical war of Ezekiel Chapters 39 & 39-------

    More http://www.hallindseyoracle.com/arti...rticleID=13165
    Last edited by waltky; Mar 03 2012 at 08:05 PM.
    Kinda funny how, instead of a 'sequester', the Wall Street bankers got bailed out.


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    Debka is a tremendous site and over the years has been accurate at the 90% level or better -- from my experience .
    It is strange that a few Americans here had never heard of it until recently , and now , with all of three minute's accumulated wisdom , choose to disparage it without even knowing "Why"
    They seem to be not the brighter section of the community and it is the fact of it being an Israeli media source that almost certainly means that their prejudices and racist views set their barmy agenda .
    I have never forgotten the time they printed the Israeli campaign when they cleared out Gaza City over the Christmas /New Year period ( was it three years ago ? Time flies ).
    Three weeks before the start , they gave details of the three pronged strategy , it's timings and detailed objectives . Effing amazing . Faultless .

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    Quote Originally Posted by raymondo View Post
    Debka is a tremendous site and over the years has been accurate at the 90% level or better -- from my experience .
    It is strange that a few Americans here had never heard of it until recently , and now , with all of three minute's accumulated wisdom , choose to disparage it without even knowing "Why"
    They seem to be not the brighter section of the community and it is the fact of it being an Israeli media source that almost certainly means that their prejudices and racist views set their barmy agenda .
    I have never forgotten the time they printed the Israeli campaign when they cleared out Gaza City over the Christmas /New Year period ( was it three years ago ? Time flies ).
    Three weeks before the start , they gave details of the three pronged strategy , it's timings and detailed objectives . Effing amazing . Faultless .
    "Israeli intelligence officials do not consider even 10 percent of the site's content to be reliable. Cornell Law professor Michael C. Dorf calls Debka his "favorite alarmist Israeli website trading in rumors."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Margot View Post
    "Israeli intelligence officials do not consider even 10 percent of the site's content to be reliable. Cornell Law professor Michael C. Dorf calls Debka his "favorite alarmist Israeli website trading in rumors."
    Margot ,
    I wrote my Post specifically for three people -- one of whom was you .
    Like a sporting fish , you took the bait .
    Thank you for highlighting your silly prejudice and finding that one general quote which you lifted piecemeal .( You need to be smart , to mix it with the best!!)
    In contrast to every major News Agency across the planet who regularly use Debka as a source .
    Check out Mr Dorf . He is one lawyer . One .
    As far as I know he is good in his field . But do you really want to produce him as your only defence witness when he is as well known for being a Blogger , Vegan and Juggler ?
    If you knew the full background to Debka , you would not have included your completely unattributed general remark of " Israeli Intelligence Officers .... "

    It reminds me of made up stories supported by , " a passing but unnamed stranger said .......... "

    Try again . Put some effort into any attempt to rectify your huge blunders .

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    Quote Originally Posted by raymondo View Post
    Margot ,
    I wrote my Post specifically for three people -- one of whom was you .
    Like a sporting fish , you took the bait .
    Thank you for highlighting your silly prejudice and finding that one general quote which you lifted piecemeal .( You need to be smart , to mix it with the best!!)
    In contrast to every major News Agency across the planet who regularly use Debka as a source .
    Check out Mr Dorf . He is one lawyer . One .
    As far as I know he is good in his field . But do you really want to produce him as your only defence witness when he is as well known for being a Blogger , Vegan and Juggler ?
    If you knew the full background to Debka , you would not have included your completely unattributed general remark of " Israeli Intelligence Officers .... "

    It reminds me of made up stories supported by , " a passing but unnamed stranger said .......... "

    Try again . Put some effort into any attempt to rectify your huge blunders .
    DEBKA is rarely accurate about anything.. much like PressTV and World Net Daily.

    Do your own research.. they tend to be right about 10% of the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Margot View Post
    DEBKA is rarely accurate about anything.. much like PressTV and World Net Daily.

    Do your own research.. they tend to be right about 10% of the time.
    It's like talking to a deaf kid .
    You have not replied to a single point -- just repeated the one comment you could copy from Wiki .
    I have read them daily for many years -- they are around 90% right .
    Just simply say ---- You have opened my eyes to several new and interesting new sources . I shall make up my own mind over a period of time .
    All your flannel and BS is unnecessary unless you somehow think you are saving face .

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    Quote Originally Posted by raymondo View Post
    It's like talking to a deaf kid .
    You have not replied to a single point -- just repeated the one comment you could copy from Wiki .
    I have read them daily for many years -- they are around 90% right .
    Just simply say ---- You have opened my eyes to several new and interesting new sources . I shall make up my own mind over a period of time .
    All your flannel and BS is unnecessary unless you somehow think you are saving face .
    I have been reading Debka for over a decade... They never get it right... and their sources are ALWAYS anonymous.

    Here's AN EXAMPLE.

    http://samsonblinded.org/news/?s=debka
    Last edited by Margot; Mar 05 2012 at 04:05 AM.

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    [QUOTE=Margot;1060960266]I have been reading Debka for over a decade... They never get it right... and their sources are ALWAYS anonymous.
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    They buried Frank Carson at the week end , Britain's funniest for many years . Now you are bidding to take over
    Your reference is from 2009 and contains 453 different topics .
    It's not even from the web site --- god knows what you have turned up -- a potted pourri for potty Americans I imagine .
    Margot , have a look at knitting or Croc hunting for beginners . You southerners are barmy .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Margot View Post
    I have been reading Debka for over a decade... They never get it right... and their sources are ALWAYS anonymous.
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    They buried Frank Carson at the week end , Britain's funniest for many years . Now you are bidding to take over
    Your reference is from 2009 and contains 453 different topics .
    It's not even from the web site --- god knows what you have turned up -- a potted pourri for potty Americans I imagine .
    Margot , have a look at knitting or Croc hunting for beginners . You southerners are barmy .
    If these sources suit you, have at it.. At some point you will tire of being duped with claims that 12,000 US soldiers landed in Benghazi.

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    [quote=Margot;1060960827]
    Quote Originally Posted by raymondo View Post

    If these sources suit you, have at it.. At some point you will tire of being duped with claims that 12,000 US soldiers landed in Benghazi.
    I am corresponding with three of them and they have all had a good laugh at your theory of them being dead .
    Where did you get Benghazi from ?
    I hope you have sourced that assertion .It's not confirmed by my people .

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