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now for i post this for comparison purposes:

IRAQ: Deaths under Saddam Hussein

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Tom Grey answers David Crow's request the empirical basis for his statement on the number of dead under Saddam Hussein. "See http://www.gbn.org/ArticleDisplaySer...=2400&msp=1242 Here is an excerpt:":Along with other human rights organizations, The Documental Centre for Human Rights in Iraq has compiled documentation on over 600,000 civilian executions in Iraq. Human Rights Watch reports that in one operation alone, the Anfal, Saddam killed 100,000 Kurdish Iraqis. Another 500,000 are estimated to have died in Saddam's needless war with Iran. Coldly taken as a daily average for the 24 years of Saddam's reign, these numbers give us a horrifying picture of between 70 and 125 civilian deaths per day for every one of Saddam's 8,000-odd days in power"

But such facts are not enough -- because for him the true question is whether civilians killed by the war are "unnecessary". I need to ask whether he thinks the civilian deaths were necessary or not. I clearly believe they were necessary to oust Saddam and save the lives he would have murdered, to free the children from prison, etc. -- in fact more necessary than the atomic bombs to force Japan's surrender If Mr. Crow is willing to accept Muslim fanatic terrorists with WMDs, or Muslim theocracy, rather than fight for Western/ Christian/ Capitalist/ Freedom, then indeed comparing death rates doesn't mean much".

Ronald Hilton - 4/25/03

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now at 75-125 deaths per day, saddam was responsible for between 2250 and 3780 deaths per day. that means the iraq war, bush's war, except for the months between july '06 and may '07, prez bush has had a net positive effect on life and death in iraq!

when one considers the fact that saddam's count was flatlined at between 2250 and 3780 (3015 av) deaths per day with no reprieve in sight, especially when the sadistic saddam sons were waiting in the rape rooms and torture center one might consider prez bush a life saver in iraq.

and that is attributing all the deaths by all the parties on prez bush when in fact most of the deaths were due to insurgents. that is an attribution that could not be tagged to sadistic saddam who was responsible for all the deaths

Does this change the fact that the invasion was illegal?

Does this change the fact that Iraq had no WMDs?

Does this change the fact that Saddam did not support terrorism?

Does it change the total number of deaths from an illegal invasion?

You're an irrelevancy Hasbaratoo.

All the Bush led illegal invasion has achieved is that Iran has gained more of a regional power.

What sort of maths is that?

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It was based on a bit of pseudo maths from a reporter on a propaganda mission trying to back the US Government on its turn around from the "it was WMDs" to it "was really to get rid of Saddam." And Hasbara then moved it a bit further along with a Hasbara method of counting days weeks and months.

Hasbara has a problem with maths as he doesn't like using an Arabic numbering system that is current in the world. He thinks its a Muslim conspiracy to take over the world once you learn numbers you become a Muslim.

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statistical math (degrees of freedom and "confidence interval(s)" . here let me give you another related example that will help explain. :

ABSTRACT

Background Estimates of the death toll in Iraq from the time of the U.S.-led invasion in March 2003 until June 2006 have ranged from 47,668 (from the Iraq Body Count) to 601,027 (from a national survey). Results from the Iraq Family Health Survey (IFHS), which was conducted in 2006 and 2007, provide new evidence on mortality in Iraq.

Methods The IFHS is a nationally representative survey of 9345 households that collected information on deaths in the household since June 2001. We used multiple methods for estimating the level of underreporting and compared reported rates of death with those from other sources.

Results Interviewers visited 89.4% of 1086 household clusters during the study period; the household response rate was 96.2%. From January 2002 through June 2006, there were 1325 reported deaths. After adjustment for missing clusters, the overall rate of death per 1000 person-years was 5.31 (95% confidence interval [CI], 4.89 to 5.77); the estimated rate of violence-related death was 1.09 (95% CI, 0.81 to 1.50). When underreporting was taken into account, the rate of violence-related death was estimated to be 1.67 (95% uncertainty range, 1.24 to 2.30). This rate translates into an estimated number of violent deaths of 151,000 (95% uncertainty range, 104,000 to 223,000) from March 2003 through June 2006.

Conclusions Violence is a leading cause of death for Iraqi adults and was the main cause of death in men between the ages of 15 and 59 years during the first 3 years after the 2003 invasion. Although the estimated range is substantially lower than a recent survey-based estimate, it nonetheless points to a massive death toll, only one of the many health and human consequences of an ongoing humanitarian crisis.

http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/NEJMsa0707782

ashley the ignorant:

So it doesn’t change the fact that the invasion was illegal. I’m glad we got that cleared up.

Made in the US Supplied by a Dutchman with US export certs. The limited amount that Saddam did have in the Iran war was all used up. The US wanted Saddam to fight Iran, maybe you forgot that??

Crap. Read the reports, the US has released many try looking instead of making BS up

Hasbaratoo you use BS like this. It is a report, by whom, from where, the article doesn't say. But you take it as gospel. You are not very discerning at all.

The deaths will not stop until the US is kicked out and another civil war ensues. This will put a radical anti US government in power in Iraq. Welcome to your sick world of making radical extremists. The US involvement not unsurprisingly has always produced results 180° out. Look at Vietnam, the US caused mayhem then the US was kicked out, and the world turned out just fine.

As there are deaths in the US because of Governmental policies , should the world invade the US to put a stop to it?????

It was never a US problem it was for the Iraqis to sort out themselves.

Hasbara bring up Abu Nidal:-

Now that is pure stupidity. Why because it was Saddam who had Abu Nidal executed…….








http://www.milnet.com/pentagon/centc...m-in-Iraq.html


http://www.guardian.co.uk/obituaries...777427,00.html



Inside Terrorist Organisations


http://www.counterpunch.org/fisk0820.html

So much for Saddam harbouring Terrorists. Don't Forget that Saddam did not get into power until 1979.


Try looking at where Al Qaeda was hiding. In the Kurdish US protection zones those very areas that you complain that Saddam gassed. How terrible that Saddam used US gas rather than blanket bombing the area.

Hasbaratoo you really do show your ignorance by saying Saddam did wrong when the US policy is is employing the same strategy against Al Qaeda as Saddam. The difference being that the US still keeps the PKK terrorists in the safe haven and the US does not move against the PKK, this is why the Turkish army want to invade Iraq.

Please Hasbara try to keep up with current events. Well actually most of these events are quite old now

An illegal war prosecuted in an illegal fashion popularised by forged documents and dodgy dossiers.

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ashley: not so ashley, the dull. we need an example of a legally determined war and also an international court decision that this war was illegal.

ashley, you are a back gasser, the precursors supplied by the united states were prior to the sanctions and prior to the gassing of the kurds.

we all know ashley lacks the intelligence to be prescient and only has hindsight. ie, head up ass ashley thinks she see the universe!

ashley:
oh please ashley, it was known that Saddam harboured Abu for years and that Abu committed terror acts while harboured by Saddam.

good ol ashley. not context again.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...5/wnidal25.xml