Looks like these links do not really say what you say they do:


Seeks Destruction of Palestine? Not really:

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supporting emigration to other Arab countries does not mean the 'destruction' of Palestine. Expecting loyalty to the Jewish State is as normal as a Muslim State demanding the same from its citizens. Perfectly normal. Ashley making much [false] ado about nothing.


Most of the rest of Ashley's link are just as bogus if not more so!

The Palestinian National Charter from 1968 is the only charter there is and can be found here at the Palestinian Permanent Observer Mission. You will not see anything here about those "changes"

http://www.un.int/palestine/PLO/PNAcharter.html

From the Charter:

Article 7: There is a Palestinian community and that it has material, spiritual, and historical connection with Palestine are indisputable facts. It is a national duty to bring up individual Palestinians in an Arab revolutionary manner. All means of information and education must be adopted in order to acquaint the Palestinian with his country in the most profound manner, both spiritual and material, that is possible. He must be prepared for the armed struggle and ready to sacrifice his wealth and his life in order to win back his homeland and bring about its liberation.

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"The courageous over the infidels, make war for Allah and are not afraid... This is the depiction of the army of Allah that will come at Allah's decree, from here or from there, to liberate these lands from the defilement of the Jews, for Allah was angry with them in his book and called them once 'monkeys,' once 'swine,' and once 'donkeys.'" (Palestinian TV, March 30, 2001)

The Center party opposed a Palestinian state between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River.

The goals of our foreign policy should focus on safeguarding Israel's sovereignty while seeking peace with Arab countries based on the principle of "peace for peace"

... supports massive Jewish immigration to Israel and the voluntary transfer of the Palestinians in the territories to Arab states.
Views democratized Palestinian Authority as key to progress on peace process
.Does not favor a Palestinian state.

In the past, prepared to relinquish land in return for peace, but uncomfortable with this policy given increased terror.
Supports autonomy for Palestinians, but opposes a Palestinian state.
Views democratized Palestinian Authority as key to progress on peace process
Does not favor a Palestinian state

No comparison

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"The courageous over the infidels, make war for Allah and are not afraid... This is the depiction of the army of Allah that will come at Allah's decree, from here or from there, to liberate these lands from the defilement of the Jews, for Allah was angry with them in his book and called them once 'monkeys,' once 'swine,' and once 'donkeys.'" (Palestinian TV, March 30, 2001)

I have seen pages and pages of facts cited in the posts in this thread by both pro-Israeli and pro-Palestinean people, but I haven't seen much in the way of context by posters from either viewpoint. The facts are indeed true, but the situations in which they occurred or are still occurring are obscured.

For instance, there were indeed several local terror campaigns carried out by the Israelis during the original Arab-Israeli war of 1947-48. The context in which they happened was the need to remove unfriendlies from areas that Israel needed militarily while facing invasions from Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq and attacks by local Palestinean militias. The main complaint of the Palestineans seems to be that the Israelis were more effective in their terrorist actions than they themselves were at the time.

Another example of a fact being taken out of context is the general Palestinean refusal to recognise Israel. Part of this is indeed the lingering dream of driving out the Israelis completely, but part is also from the fact that Israel still does not have formal borders (because it is such a hot internal political issue in Israel). Why on earth would you recognise a country whose territory comes at the expense of your own and they haven't said whether they've stopped stealing your land yet?

Unless there is context in these discussions, the 'facts' will resemble those used by the Catholics and Protestants during the Troubles in Northern Ireland: completely correct and completely beside the point.

So let them

concheet in post number 102 (above) shows links supplied by ashley. In them, ashley claimed all of them "seeks the destruction of Palestine." Yet when one clicks on the site and reads for themselves, they find something completely different.

Is that what you're trying to say concheet?

Has ashley been stating false statements?

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"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
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Yes. Or, at the very least he is guilty of wild hyperbole. The goals of our foreign policy should focus on safeguarding Israel's sovereignty while seeking peace with Arab countries based on the principle of "peace for peace" or Views democratized Palestinian Authority as key to progress on peace process do not seem to me to equate to seeks the destruction of Palestine

It could also be argued that even those political parties who are against a separate Palestinian state do not "seek the destruction of Palestine."

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL0C2QvqIlo#
"The courageous over the infidels, make war for Allah and are not afraid... This is the depiction of the army of Allah that will come at Allah's decree, from here or from there, to liberate these lands from the defilement of the Jews, for Allah was angry with them in his book and called them once 'monkeys,' once 'swine,' and once 'donkeys.'" (Palestinian TV, March 30, 2001)

more:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080201/...aza_notebook_1

I guess that conditions are not as bad as all that. At least the Gazans have not resorted to eating dirt cookies, like the poor Haitians! And who have the Haitians attacked lately?

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"The courageous over the infidels, make war for Allah and are not afraid... This is the depiction of the army of Allah that will come at Allah's decree, from here or from there, to liberate these lands from the defilement of the Jews, for Allah was angry with them in his book and called them once 'monkeys,' once 'swine,' and once 'donkeys.'" (Palestinian TV, March 30, 2001)

If Gaza wants to support Islamists, they will get what they deserve. Hamas may not be as bad as Al-Qaeda or the Taliban, but they are cut from the same cloth. Unfortunately, the main alternative at present seems to be Fatah, which is more secular but also foolish and very corrupt. Why don't you start a third faction, RealAhmed8, and provide some real government?

Have you ever thought of right of reply?

or is it a case a fascism hating freedom of speech.

Denial of a sovereign state is seeking the destruction of Palestine.

?? Please clarify your thoughts here. This makes no sense.

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"The courageous over the infidels, make war for Allah and are not afraid... This is the depiction of the army of Allah that will come at Allah's decree, from here or from there, to liberate these lands from the defilement of the Jews, for Allah was angry with them in his book and called them once 'monkeys,' once 'swine,' and once 'donkeys.'" (Palestinian TV, March 30, 2001)