http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080119...t_080119213314

Clue for Gazan palestinians: elect a new government.

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I think you're right about this one Blade. Hamas has done nothing to help the Palestinian people, and has actually created more internal chaos within the PNA. They (Palestinians) need a government that can make some progress in terms of the Peace process, and try to develop the PNA as a nation (rather than a collection of refugee camps).

I didn't read the article, but I will assume that it's nothing new... just "News"!

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well,
Isn't Hamas elected from palestinians ? why all world has make a blockade and prevent them to making any progress.. why you don't give Hamas the chance..? Hamas has a popularity more than 50% in Palestine thats meaning there's no peace if hamas don't accept it..
so you should give hamas the chance to rule and after their experiement in government you can say they deserve to rule or no..
Pay attention that Palestine is under occupation and so people under occupation have a thoughts difference to you, if you live occupied before you understand me..
i mean the blockade and fighting Hamas never effect bad to their popularity and thats support it..
people under occupation have a priority before the food and electricity.. this priority is fighting the enemies (occupation), and thats what hamas doing now..
the blockade support that..
if there's no blockade the priorty to hamas will not be fighting enemy but to build a good community and support peace..
I Live in Gaza and i mean what i say..

I agree entirely with your opinion,I live in China and I fell the same as you.

I agree that the world has mistreated Hamas from day one (stopping all international aid for starters), but you have to agree that they have quite a bad reputation, at least in the views of the international community.

I am not saying that they don't have a right to govern their people as they were elected through a democratic process, but at the same time they didn't respect Abbas's request to appoint a different member of their political party as prime minister, which from my understanding, he CAN do legally as PNA President.

Abbas on the other hand, didn't have a right to appoint his "choice" man instead. This is one part of why the internal conflict started fueling up (Correct?). I assume that this internal conflict has an additional negative effect on the Palestinian people (which deserve much better - an end to all violence, basic neads, rights, etc.).

Either way, I believe that the current situation is unproductive. In my opinion, the Palestinian people would be better off if they elected a more diplomatic party to lead them in their struggle, violence will only bring more violence, and God knows that the Israeli government should do more than they are currently doing to make some forward progress towards peace, and a two state agreement.

I don't know how things truly are in Gaza, and I'm very interested to hear what you have to say about how things really are (politics and life in general). I truly hope things will change for the better.
Much respect.

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Hello there - a question?

What would happen, if Israel simply pulled out of Gaza?

Do you think, that rocket attacks into Israel, would stop?

And if not, why not?

I don't know why you think that Gaza people hate peace !!
I see that the rockets are just re-action for the israeli aggressions..
Hamas said before if Israel stopped their aggressions they will stop hitting rockets..
and how you can compare Qassam Rocket by F-16 Rocket !!?
I wanna just say, in the last 5 Days , more than 40 People killed and more than 100 injured in Gaza, in the other side no one killed by the qassam rockets and just few injured..!
People in Gaza are so angry because of killing everyday and the strong blockade thats why they always wanna Hamas Hitting their rockets..
I Promise you instead of All Gaza People if Israel stopped their aggressions and Blockade, Hamas will not hit any rocket..

I agree with you that Palestinians should unite, and agree you in some other points..
the real internal conflict happened because Fatah leaders refuse to give hamas the chance to lead the security organization, Hamas wanted to lead this organization because they consider it agent for occupation and they have the responsible in all people killed because they are labeled under Hamas Organization..
in other words, hamas wanted this organization to be Re-Build to be more patriot..
My openion: Hamas have the rights to request that.. because this organization was really have a bad reputation in our view..

I wanna thank you for asking about life in Gaza Now..
Its really too difficult, its like the slow death..
Blockade stop all kinds of normal life, electricity cut off many times in the day more than 6 hours per day! and we are completely depend in our production of foods because we can't import anything..
there's no enough cures for many diseases , you may hear that 70+ killed because they can't find cure for their sick.
there's no enough fuels for cars, before few weeks i couldn't go to my university because there's no Taxies..
More than 90% of industries are stopped because there's no primary materials, and etc...
Also, there's Israeli attacks everyday and many people killed and injured..
Life Like hell, and we can't do anything just waiting the world to persuade Israel to stop killing and Blockade..

thought we were supposed to be promoting more democracy in the middle east .... yet here they have an elected government (the Palestinians voted out the corrupt fatah regime) and you propose to derail it. amazingly inconsistent consistancy you are advocating there ... duh!

there is a certain irony at work here. the mossad was instrumental in creating hamas, as an opposition to arafat and his PLO/fatah organization. now that arafat is gone, the new enemy of the state of israel has become hamas

that so many of our neoCON cohort now are wistful for the return of fatah is even more ironic as fatah/PLO received much of its materiel support from the communists when it was instigating the lebanese civil war, black september, perpetrating the coastal road massacre, the damour massacre, the avivim school bus massacre, the ma'alot massacre, the savoy hotel killings, and supporting saddam's invasion of kuwait. this is too rich. speaking of rich, in 1993 the brit intelligence service reported that fatah's PLO was the richest of all terrorist organizations

so, let's sum this up. you and your neoCON brethern prefer a communist supported terrorist organization which has committed a variety of crimes against humanity thru the recent decades instead of a democratically elected hamas. gotta love it. anybody wonder why the arabs hate us?

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Hamas was apparently fairly elected, but they have an unfortunate tendency to shoot rockets at other countries' civilians. They apparently were elected because they provide some social services, but the palestinian people have to grasp that they have elected rejectionists who will never concede Israel's right to exist. If they keep that government, they are signing on for a life of poverty, danger, and despair. How exactly do you convince people to not throw away their lives, and that of their children? It's really sad.

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