Thread: dear jews and muslims... get it together

Originally Posted by groupthink

so you are on the side of killing for fake gods?

It's a bit more complicated.

There's much arrogance in a person sitting at his home in California, scolding peoples at a difficult war like a parent would belligerent children. The Arabs are fighting for what they see as their stolen land and trampled honor; the Jews are fighting for what they consider their only land and sole alternative to the disgrace and terror of the national impotence they had endured for almost two millennia. The truth is, neither party considers peace a top priority; nor do you. There are more important things than that. If you truly had to fight for your home and children you'd pick up a gun, not just role over or run for the sake of Obama's peace of mind.

Sometimes true conflict of interests exists, when its either you or the other guy, but not both, because some sort of essential resource is scarce or due to yours and the other's clashing intentions. This can even occur when both parties are motivated by perfectly legitimate reasons, meaning that most decent people would have acted the same in either pair of shoes, and yet the circumstances necessitate a struggle for either party to get its way. It doesn't have to be the good guys vs. the bad, or right vs. wrong; sometimes we are all "good" with regards to what's true and essential to our families and peoples, and BECAUSE of that we go to war. It's a shame but it's true.

There probably won't be any solution to war in the Middle East, only a victory of one side or the other, not unlike WWII being a total clash of interests. This brilliant peace plan of bored, naive westerners that sounds like the track "Why Can't We Be Friends" set on repeat, is getting kind of old. Grow up.

Originally Posted by groupthink

do the rest of the world a favor and stop killing each other... for one, Mohammad did not fly a horse to heaven... god never gave Moses the 10 commandments..

religious myths are all bullcrap...

stop killing each other....please.

god didnt promise any dry tiny piece of land to his chosen people... put your Talmuds down and your korans down and put your guns down and be friends to your fellow man..

or do more people have to die for fake gods that dont give a crap?

Do you really believe that zionist colonialism has anything to do with religion? Grow up!

Originally Posted by Borat

That's what the partition was for. Two states for two peoples, to stop killing each other and mind their own business in their own state.... Of course we know the rest of the story, the Jews accepted the partition, the Arabs did not and unleashed wars and terror, the Arabs wanted a 24th Arab majority state, one tiny Jewish majority state was an anathema to them...still is

PS your premise is also wrong "Jew" is an ethnicity (i.e. Jews for Jesus, atheist/secular jews are still [gasp] jews) and Zionism leading to the creation of Israel was a secular not religious movement.

With the colonialist state controlling all the water, all the land and all the money, while staging a provocation whenever settlement seemed even possible. One tiny Jewish state manages to murder a very large number of Muslim and Christian children among its various other crimes, by the way.

Originally Posted by Iolo

Do you really believe that zionist colonialism has anything to do with religion? Grow up!

Zionism is the National Political movement of Jews worldwide,,, Remember the slogan 'Next year in Jerusalem' for these Jews that live in the diaspora?

Originally Posted by Iolo

With the colonialist state controlling all the water, all the land and all the money, while staging a provocation whenever settlement seemed even possible. One tiny Jewish state manages to murder a very large number of Muslim and Christian children among its various other crimes, by the way.

You must be a defamer by excellence... Stop working your mouth and corroborate your slander.

Originally Posted by Iolo

Do you really believe that zionist colonialism has anything to do with religion? Grow up!

yes i think every country is doing things to make their gods happy

Originally Posted by HBendor

Ownership of a land is recognized by archeology and history
The Arabs in authority at the time called this land 'ARD INBA'A IHAL ASLYIN'... The land of the rightful owners in reference to the JEWS.
The Jews left Archeology as a proof of ownership while the passing marauders left the droppings of their sheep.

Firstly, if you insist on playing the "ownership card", the land really belongs to the Canaanites, all Jews must vacate! And many Palestinians claim to be Canaanite ( Israelites are too, BTW)

Now, "ownership" per se, looks ridiculous, right? And of course it should. Here is my 2 cents worth:

1) The UN has *so far* given Israel 45 years to get OUT of the occupied lands of 1967. When Iraq invaded Kuwait, the UN did not give them 45 DAYS to get out Kuwait before bombs started raining down on Baghdad. Iraq learned the hard way that the UN was quite serious about nations disobeying UN resolutions of such a magnitude. How come Israel gets a pass for this long? Why are we 'begging' them to do the right thing?

2) Any nation's leaders that that throw people who were born in their nation out of the land because of a dislike for said person's religion/skin color should have their license to run a nation REVOKED

Israel is in severe violation of human rights and has to be treated on that level, IMO

don't ASK Israel to get out, order them too with the threat of war if they refuse. simple.

bendor....move to the united states... whats the obsession with palestine..... ohh wait... your god is coming back.. oh thats why you cannot have a peacefull life.

Islam is a religion based off hating Jews / Infidels. They blame the Jews for virtually everything due to this. There will never be peace as long as Islam continues to be a backwards, oppresisve brutal and violent religion.

Originally Posted by Iolo

With the colonialist state controlling all the water, all the land and all the money, while staging a provocation whenever settlement seemed even possible. One tiny Jewish state manages to murder a very large number of Muslim and Christian children among its various other crimes, by the way.

This tiny state would be even smaller if the Arabs accepted the plan for two states but they rejected.

Because of Insane global genocidal Jihad innocents die, and its just a drop of the global death toll which is in the hundreds of millions. ( Mughal empire alone killed 120 million in the name of Islam and MUhammed)