the level of a saturday morning cartoon.

you forgot about the US-made Israeli attack helicopters and drones that pummel the Gaza strip.

propaganda works well on you.

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If the Israelis were just out to pummel the Palestinians all out they'd be able to do a whole lot better job. The difference is that if the Palestinians stop launching rockets the Israelis would have to stop (or at least step down). However apparently nothing can stop the Palestinians who seem to want to empty out Sderot.

Israel fires rockets from their attack helicopters in Gaza, they killed 200 in the past few weeks and then expect not to receive a return of fire.

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One side going to have to stop firing back if they ever hope to end the violence.

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WARNING: In the unlikely event of an accidental agreement with any or all points made in the above post, contact a clinical psychologist immediately.

The views expressed in the above post are not necessarily those of Joker and/or any of his affiliates.

"You have found the secret message. Do you have too much time on your hands? ...Let it go."

of course.

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Isarel stopping fire=end of Israel existence

Palestinian stopping fire=coexistence

The idea that the Palestinians would stop if Israel was nicer is wrong and destructive. The Palestinians hate the very existence of Jews and therefore Israel. It has nothing to do with what Israel is doing.

And no, Israel does not, in turn, hate the very existence of Palestinians. We just strongly desire that they stop harboring animosity toward us. Israel is the victim, and the Palestinians are the malicious aggressors.

Israel is begging for peace, while the Palestinians are begging for the end of Israel.

The fact that Israel is often perceived as the bad guy only demonstrates what is wrong with the world, and shows why world opinion (popularity) doesn't make right, doesn't alter the truth of the situation, and shouldn't matter one bit.

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'Firing back'? That implies that they were fired on in the first place.

Do you really think that the palestinians will suddenly stop launching rockets into Israel if Israel stopped 'firing back'?

Israel has been willing to make concessions to the palestinian terrorists in the past and Ararfat declined.

Screw 'em, I hope the Israelis just wipe out all the palestinians and be done with it. Only then will there be peace.

Of course, they will have other muslim terrorist nations to defeat, hopefully the US will assist them.

I am sorry, sad girl, that life is so hard for you.

I don't think there will ever be peace in the Middle East as long as Israel exists. Since the Jews invaded that land there has been nothing but killings. Unfortunately, the USA provides weapons to Israel. I wish we would keep out of the whole business. It is immoral to provide weapons of war. The people who get wounded and killed are the innocent.

But don't expect any sympathy from our government. Our government is under the authority of Big Money and the Jews are the International Bankers.

The common people in America sympathize with you, but we are under tyranny and can't do much. Maybe, some day......

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Ginna, it is because of people like you that evil exists in the world.

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You don't have to pretend to like someone just because you are voting for him.

One really cannot make judgments about Hamas and Israel (and Jews)(and Christians) in relation to Hamas without understanding that Hamas is in fact the Islamic Resistance Movement, and that their 'struggle' is not about winning liberation, freedom and democracy etc for their people, or even a bit of land. It is not about freedom of religion either.

Their plan is clearly spelled out in their "Covenant," and everyone should read it and consider the implications. It can be found at the Yale Avalon Project at the link below. Here are a few of the more interesting excerpts, imho.


Hamas Covenant 1988
The Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement
18 August 1988

In The Name Of The Most Merciful Allah
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Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it" (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory).

This Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS), clarifies its picture, reveals its identity, outlines its stand, explains its aims, speaks about its hopes, and calls for its support, adoption and joining its ranks. Our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious. It needs all sincere efforts. It is a step that inevitably should be followed by other steps. The Movement is but one squadron that should be supported by more and more squadrons from this vast Arab and Islamic world, until the enemy is vanquished and Allah's victory is realised.
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The Slogan of the Islamic Resistance Movement:
Article Eight:

Allah is its target, the Prophet is its model, the Koran its constitution: Jihad is its path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes.
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Article Thirteen:
Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement. Abusing any part of Palestine is abuse directed against part of religion. Nationalism of the Islamic Resistance Movement is part of its religion. Its members have been fed on that. For the sake of hoisting the banner of Allah over their homeland they fight. "Allah will be prominent, but most people do not know."
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There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad.
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It is necessary to instill in the minds of the Moslem generations that the Palestinian problem is a religious problem, and should be dealt with on this basis.
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For a long time, the enemies have been planning, skillfully and with precision, for the achievement of what they have attained. They took into consideration the causes affecting the current of events. They strived to amass great and substantive material wealth which they devoted to the realisation of their dream. With their money, they took control of the world media, news agencies, the press, publishing houses, broadcasting stations, and others. With their money they stirred revolutions in various parts of the world with the purpose of achieving their interests and reaping the fruit therein. They were behind the French Revolution, the Communist revolution and most of the revolutions we heard and hear about, here and there. With their money they formed secret societies, such as Freemasons, Rotary Clubs, the Lions and others in different parts of the world for the purpose of sabotaging societies and achieving Zionist interests. With their money they were able to control imperialistic countries and instigate them to colonize many countries in order to enable them to exploit their resources and spread corruption there.

You may speak as much as you want about regional and world wars. They were behind World War I, when they were able to destroy the Islamic Caliphate, making financial gains and controlling resources. They obtained the Balfour Declaration, formed the League of Nations through which they could rule the world. They were behind World War II, through which they made huge financial gains by trading in armaments, and paved the way for the establishment of their state. It was they who instigated the replacement of the League of Nations with the United Nations and the Security Council to enable them to rule the world through them. There is no war going on anywhere, without having their finger in it.

The imperialistic forces in the Capitalist West and Communist East, support the enemy with all their might, in money and in men. These forces take turns in doing that. The day Islam appears, the forces of infidelity would unite to challenge it, for the infidels are of one nation.

Article Twenty-Eight:

The Zionist invasion is a vicious invasion. It does not refrain from resorting to all methods, using all evil and contemptible ways to achieve its end. It relies greatly in its infiltration and espionage operations on the secret organizations it gave rise to, such as the Freemasons, The Rotary and Lions clubs, and other sabotage groups. All these organizations, whether secret or open, work in the interest of Zionism and according to its instructions. They aim at undermining societies, destroying values, corrupting consciences, deteriorating character and annihilating Islam. It is behind the drug trade and alcoholism in all its kinds so as to facilitate its control and expansion.

Arab countries surrounding Israel are asked to open their borders before the fighters from among the Arab and Islamic nations so that they could consolidate their efforts with those of their Moslem brethren in Palestine.

As for the other Arab and Islamic countries, they are asked to facilitate the movement of the fighters from and to it, and this is the least thing they could do.
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Article Thirty-One:
The Islamic Resistance Movement is a humanistic movement. It takes care of human rights and is guided by Islamic tolerance when dealing with the followers of other religions. It does not antagonize anyone of them except if it is antagonized by it or stands in its way to hamper its moves and waste its efforts.

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The Zionist plan is limitless. After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying.

Arab and Islamic Peoples should augment by further steps on their part; Islamic groupings all over the Arab world should also do the same, since all of these are the best-equipped for the future role in the fight with the warmongering Jews.


http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/mideast/hamas.htm

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