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and IAEA clarified that iran doesn't have any programs of building nuclear weapons as well as CIA and MI6
This is untrue.

The IAEA has expressly stated it is unable to prove Iran has stopped nuclear weapons research.
The NIE report was not the CIA and it was as vague as could be.
The British for the most part dismissed the NIE report.
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Old 03-08-2008, 02:28 PM
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Iran is not dangerous. Or do people praying to their god scare you?

What is dangerous is the government. There is incredible opposition, even if not a majority, of the current administration. Instead of sinking bunker bombs, sink cash secretly into opposing politically democratic parties and let them delve into civil war if they must. Just as Spain, Britain, and France did for us... (when the US was building the 'ultimate' weapons of war at the time - super frigates)

Why would we, or anyone, need to send in troops to fix this situation?
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Iran is not dangerous. Or do people praying to their god scare you?

What is dangerous is the government. There is incredible opposition, even if not a majority, of the current administration. Instead of sinking bunker bombs, sink cash secretly into opposing politically democratic parties and let them delve into civil war if they must. Just as Spain, Britain, and France did for us... (when the US was building the 'ultimate' weapons of war at the time - super frigates)

Why would we, or anyone, need to send in their troops to fix this situation?
How do democracies and theocraies's mix? Funding opposition is kind of difficult. We tried that with the Shah back in the day and he was ousted. Now we have the lovely Ayatollah.

Iran is definitely a mixed bag, especially since they have every intention of eliminating Israel, by either military or terrorist means.
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Iran is not dangerous. Or do people praying to their god scare you?

What is dangerous is the government. There is incredible opposition, even if not a majority, of the current administration. Instead of sinking bunker bombs, sink cash secretly into opposing politically democratic parties and let them delve into civil war if they must. Just as Spain, Britain, and France did for us... (when the US was building the 'ultimate' weapons of war at the time - super frigates)

Why would we, or anyone, need to send in troops to fix this situation?
the opposition is not that much. our government since ahmadinejad is radical, yes. I myself do not agree with him. I didn't vote for ahmadinejad, but 60% of other people did. so I'm gonna accept this. but people are tired of ahmadinejad not because of foreign affairs, but because of weak economic team he has. they made some ridiculous mistakes that is going to destroy Iran's economy. so I don't think ahmadinejad could survive the next election. even the right-side parties and government TV are against him somehow. believe me, he is a good person himself, but being good is not enough for being a politician. sometimes he confuses HIS beliefs with IRAN's beliefs, that makes the whole world angry with Iran. in the 14 of march election, I'm not going to vote for his party (radical-rights) and I'm not gonna vote for Lefts either. I think the best choice is the independents. and believe me, we have democracy here!
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the opposition is not that much. our government since ahmadinejad is radical, yes. I myself do not agree with him. I didn't vote for ahmadinejad, but 60% of other people did. so I'm gonna accept this. but people are tired of ahmadinejad not because of foreign affairs, but because of weak economic team he has. they made some ridiculous mistakes that is going to destroy Iran's economy. so I don't think ahmadinejad could survive the next election. even the right-side parties and government TV are against him somehow. believe me, he is a good person himself, but being good is not enough for being a politician. sometimes he confuses HIS beliefs with IRAN's beliefs, that makes the whole world angry with Iran. in the 14 of march election, I'm not going to vote for his party (radical-rights) and I'm not gonna vote for Lefts either. I think the best choice is the independents. and believe me, we have democracy here!
Oh, I know . Many Americans still believe democracy is limited to a few of our pro-Western adulating countries around the globe. Iranians are, on the whole, sensible enough to know the problems with their own government; I've had many conversations with ethnic Iranians here in the states. All this ambiguity comes from a comparison to western democracies by western democracies (strangely enough), where the conservatism of the Iranian government seems to be quite radical, even if the country itself is not. The media also plays the role of Ahmadinejad's irrationality while excluding the views of the people on our lovely propaganda boxes (tv). They could incite war fervor in the US without having much evidence to base it on.
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How do democracies and theocraies's mix?
The same way America has.
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The media also plays the role of Ahmadinejad's irrationality while excluding the views of the people on our lovely propaganda boxes (tv). They could incite war fervor in the US without having much evidence to base it on.
do you believe that I get banned in a forum for being Iranian?!
I enjoy talking with open minded people. I saw a lot in this forum, such as you.

UN sanctions just not work for Iran. we've found our workarounds during the long-time period of US sanctions. we bypass almost all filters and sanctions and get what we want, at least in the business company I work at. just wait. people here will fix everything. I have great hope that in the election of March, 14 no radical group wins. for getting everything fixed you must wait till next presidential elections!
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do you believe that I get banned in a forum for being Iranian?!
I enjoy talking with open minded people. I saw a lot in this forum, such as you.

UN sanctions just not work for Iran. we've found our workarounds during the long-time period of US sanctions. we bypass almost all filters and sanctions and get what we want, at least in the business company I work at. just wait. people here will fix everything. I have great hope that in the election of March, 14 no radical group wins. for getting everything fixed you must wait till next presidential elections!
Oh, I believe it. You won't have to worry too much, there is such a heterogeneous group of political ideologies in here.

Hopefully there will be no foul play to skew voting which happens from time to time with power-hungry governments.

What sort of international sanctions exist in the economics of your country?
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The same way America has.
A bit of a stretch don't you think? I can't say I've seen many Americans behead people in the name of Allah, have 30 different militias all mentioning martyrdom, war, God, etc.

Theology in government is one thing, theology running government is another.
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A bit of a stretch don't you think? I can't say I've seen many Americans behead people in the name of Allah, have 30 different militias all mentioning martyrdom, war, God, etc.

Theology in government is one thing, theology running government is another.
It seems you've forgotten history, my friend. America began as a theocratic state.

(and it wasn't as peaceful and accepting as one may think - members of other religions hanged/tarred&feathered, etc., militias created in the name of God, etc.)
Read the 'colonial' section
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